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Post by Sarge on Feb 15, 2024 15:30:51 GMT -5
As someone else says, if a statement like that is what it takes to get it unaltered, that's far, far preferable to the alternative. Very happy they kept it as-is. And y'all know I'm not an absolutist when it comes to changes made for our market - I think some are justifiable - but some things that folks take offense to are ridiculous.
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Post by toei on Feb 15, 2024 16:31:21 GMT -5
Xeogred I had to look it up cause I wasn't sure what it'd be about - thought it'd be about Lara Croft having breasts and wearing shorts, or maybe her shooting animals. Anyway, yeah, otherwise I look at it like Sarge - they shouldn't do it, but better this than censorship. If it's going to display every time you start the game, then it's going to become like the old FBI "Winners Don't Do Drugs" messages in arcade games, or that one about copying the VHS tapes or whatever. Just something the brain quickly learns to ignore.
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Post by Ex on Feb 15, 2024 17:14:35 GMT -5
I think some are justifiable Any retroactive censorship is unforgivable sin. Developers/publishers should never cave to woke flakes. But if they need a preemptive warning label, so be it: Deeply harmful and inexcusable! How ever did I survive the '90s... let alone the horrid '80s!? Yeah I'll never buy another Crystal Dynamics game henceforth.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 15, 2024 22:01:00 GMT -5
I'm more talking about ones that, for example, might not cross cultural lines well. For instance, I understand some changes that are made to skirt under the line and get an MA rating as opposed to an AO. And I at least somewhat understand why some might chafe at that - sometimes I do as well. I'm less talking about censorship and more talking localization changes that make more sense for our market - not outright changing the content because it might offend. I think there's a sort of balance between doing a good localization, even if it changes a few things about the original work, and just outright changing things because someone doing the localizing does it for political or other reasons.
An example I'd use is EarthBound. The game we got isn't really accurate to the original version at all. It's accurate in spirit, but so much translates poorly that I have no issues with all the changes made to help it appeal more to a US audience. I also wasn't terribly bothered by the changes to Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE - I know they wanted to slip into that T-rating, although I suppose from all the backlash they should have just gone ahead and done it as an M-rated game. (Speaking of which, what did they do with the Switch port of that? Did they stick with the same localization or change it back?)
(Of course, it also seems like this has become less common on Nintendo's system and more so on Sony, which is... ironic.)
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Post by Sarge on Feb 15, 2024 22:26:13 GMT -5
Finally got King of Demons ordered. Took a prepaid Visa to do it, but it's done.
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Post by toei on Feb 15, 2024 22:53:39 GMT -5
I'm pragmatic about censorship. I don't like it for the principle, but how much is being removed and exactly what matters. Most SNES RPGs had some minor censorship - crosses removed from churches, alcoholic drinks renamed to coffee, "porno mag" joke items removed, etc. Those were all very common. I don't support those changes, and I'd rather they have left those things in, but realistically, it also doesn't matter all that much when it makes up less than 0.01% of the game, so it never bothered me much. Now something like removing all the hostess content in Yakuza 3 was a lot more substantial.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 15, 2024 23:07:45 GMT -5
I'm pragmatic about censorship. I don't like it for the principle, but how much is being removed and exactly what matters. Most SNES RPGs had some minor censorship - crosses removed from churches, alcoholic drinks renamed to coffee, "porno mag" joke items removed, etc. Those were all very common. I don't support those changes, and I'd rather they have left those things in, but realistically, it also doesn't matter all that much when it makes up less than 0.01% of the game, so it never bothered me much. Now something like removing all the hostess content in Yakuza 3 was a lot more substantial. Yeah, I think this gets to how I feel about it. I have a threshold where I feel it's unacceptable - I might not like certain changes, but up to a point I don't feel like it detracts that much. But then there are points where it's obviously over the line. EDIT: This is pretty spot-on, though, haha. And stuff like this is clearly over the line.
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Post by toei on Feb 15, 2024 23:38:23 GMT -5
"I am a romantic and love writing Actual Good Romance because nobody else on earth seems to know how to do it." - A localizer explaining how they changed up an anime's script. Yeah, couldn't care less about that anime but the attitude is disgusting and it's good that they're being called out for it. Just who does this person think they are? If you're such a good writer, go and try to make a living as one. In the meanwhile, respect the material you're translating / editing. And they go on to explain how they "improved" the series by making the relationship more "healthy", as if depicting an unhealthy relationship (by the standards of some American Twitter user, too) is inherently bad, etc. This person's writing is almost definitely complete trash given their understanding of fiction. Whoever's bankrolling this is responsible for letting people who hate the series do the dub, too, and letting them go ahead with their changes.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 15, 2024 23:44:35 GMT -5
In the meanwhile, respect the material you're translating / editing. This is it. It's the key to it all, and whether changes can be good or bad. If you are coming from a place of respect, or at least honoring the author's intent, then even if needing to make changes that respect will come through. And yes, that company that enables it should be ashamed, and the person doing the localizing shouldn't be in that job anymore. If you don't at least respect the material, find something else to work on.
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Post by Xeogred on Feb 25, 2024 20:31:34 GMT -5
Definitely getting this someday for yet another run through Dark Forces.
Sigh, when Star Wars was good...
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