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Post by Ex on Mar 20, 2018 9:49:58 GMT -5
Whittling Sarge's list down to games I think specifically Xeo might enjoy:
Bionic Commando (Above all else play this.) Shadow of the Ninja Shatterhand Power Blade 1/2 Metal Storm Vice: Project Doom Gimmick! Journey to Silius Little Samson Kabuki Quantum Fighter Jackie Chan's Action Kung-Fu
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Post by Sarge on Mar 20, 2018 10:05:47 GMT -5
Yep, all of those are fun. And completely agreed, if you haven't played Bionic Commando, that's the one you need to play.
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Post by anayo on Mar 20, 2018 15:24:07 GMT -5
My collection of NES carts is small enough to count on both hands. Since I have Marios 1-3, Contras 1-2, Castlevania 1, and Zelda, I'm mostly content with what I've got. But Bionic Commando is one cart I still want. It's one of those iconic games NES fans always bring up on their top ten lists.
As for the TG16 - I always felt like that thing was the 16-bit version of the Sega Saturn. It was less powerful than its two competitors, largely ignored, and full of hidden gems.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 20, 2018 15:49:27 GMT -5
Well, CPU-wise, the TG-16 actually hit pretty close to the Genesis, despite only being 8-bit. The CPU in the SNES was significantly weaker, but was compensated for with the great PPU/SPU. Those early games might have been slowdown-riddled, but a lot of later games coded things properly to account for the SNES quirks.
It does, however, feel a ton like the Saturn. I've had to do a lot of digging around to find out more about its obscurities, and so much of the good stuff got marooned in Japan. We were actually pretty lucky with the Saturn, all things considered; we still got a lot of good RPGs out of the mix.
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Post by toei on Mar 21, 2018 4:27:53 GMT -5
The TG-16 doesn't have the strong first-party titles and all the arcade ports the Saturn had, though.
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Post by Ex on Mar 22, 2018 0:16:06 GMT -5
When I think of AAA quality games on the TG16/PCE*, the only ones that come to mind are shmups. The system has some truly world class shmups. Other than that, very hit or miss on quality releases for other genres. Mostly miss I'm afraid.
*I'm not talking about TGCD/PCECD here. Just the base system.
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Post by bonesnapdeez on Mar 22, 2018 19:50:06 GMT -5
lol The Brothers Duomazov. Let me tell y'all a "funny" story. Last year my daughter was in preschool. The school was located about 35 minutes from my house, and the school day was only three hours long. It seemed excessive to drive back home and then out again in such a short time frame, so I'd instead head to my college and goof off online. Throughout the course of the year I picked away at The Brothers Duomazov. That is, I read EVERYTHING on the site. I do commend the creators for doing something somewhat cool. There is some excellent coverage of certain PCE titles that doesn't exist anywhere else in English. That site got me interested in the likes of AnEarth, La Valeur, Blood Gear, Efera and Jiliora, and others -- games I now own or hope to get soon. There are also some cool walkthroughs hosted there. But yeah, so much of the writing is pretentious, smarmy, and downright hostile. There's an air of "we own this obscure stuff that you don't" to the whole thing. Pure retro game collector dick-wagging mentality. And, as noted, they're still stuck in the "console wars" that everyone else stopped giving a shit about, like, 20 years ago. The PCE vs. NES article is laughably dumb. Like it's written by a teenager with a dog-eared thesaurus, railing against all things "popular." Most of the comparisons don't make a lick of sense. Weaksauce. The order from greatest to least is SNES/SFC > GENESIS/MD > TG16/PCE. That's just how it is. That's not any kind of bias. Just pure objective fact. There's awesome stuff on each platform, but averaging the libraries out in totality, the SNES/SFC wins by a mile. Funny you mention this. I was just thinking about such things the other day. SNES is my favorite console ever. It's almost comically superior to everything else of that era. As far as Genesis vs. TG-16 goes, I'd take the Genesis. What's interesting to me is when you add in the CD peripherals. The Sega CD has some glaring weaknesses. Lots of "experimental" crap, unneeded Genesis ports, and so on. With the TurboGrafx CD, you're looking at pure quality through and through. With the advent of CD media, many of the developers for the PCE jumped from the TurboChips to CDs instead, and the CD library is way stronger than the chip library. Furthermore, and back to Gen vs. TG-16... If I take a holistic approach and look at the console and CD libraries of both systems, and both foreign and domestic games, I'd say the TG-16/PCE+TGCD/PCECD triumphs over the Gen/MD+SCD/MCD. You just can't compete with the likes of Ys Book I & II, Legend of Xanadu, and so on. You can't. As a final aside, I still maintain that the NES is second-best console ever, after its predecessor. I've been getting more and more into Famicom and FDS imports lately and oh my god the sheer amount of variety and quality this system has to offer seems endless.
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Post by anayo on Mar 22, 2018 20:50:30 GMT -5
bonesnapdeez,
When I discovered Brothers Duomazov in 2015 I thought they were somewhat full of themselves. I was trying to learn more about TG16, though, so I read them anyway.
Toei,
I agree with your comment about the stock TG16 being more 8-bit-like, whereas the TG16 CD is more 16-bit-like. In fact, I loved Castlevania: Rondo of Blood so much that it made me reevaluate my prejudice for 16-bit CD-ROM systems like the Sega CD. That didn't last long, since after playing most of the Sega CD's "killer apps" I went back to thinking it's an unnecessary product that fails to make a stock Sega Genesis any more fun.
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Post by Ex on Mar 22, 2018 21:43:49 GMT -5
If I take a holistic approach and look at the console and CD libraries of both systems The worthiness of the TG16/PCE does increase dramatically when you include its optical media additions. I agree. As a final aside, I still maintain that the NES is second-best console ever, after its predecessor. I'll say it's the winner of the 8-bit war. Best console ever though? I don't know if it beats PS1 or PS2 for me personally. But I agree the NES/Famicom is a system that just keeps on giving. Every time you think you know all it has to offer, another obscure gem pops up out of the ether. Especially when you look into the rewarding FDS stuff.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 22, 2018 22:44:22 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure about the TGCD over the Genesis+SCD, but it's closer than you'd think. If we'd gotten some of the games that didn't cross the pond, maybe I'd think otherwise. Even then, Sega had some absolute gems on the Genesis, as did multiple third parties. I mean, did the TGCD ever get stuff to the level of Shinobi III, the Sonic games, Beyond Oasis, Vectorman (yes, I like those!), Ristar, Rocket Knight Adventures, Castlevania: Bloodlines, Contra: Hard Corps, Alien Soldier, Gunstar Heroes, Dynamite Headdy, or Streets of Rage 2, to name a few? I mean, I know there's Rondo of Blood, which seems like the clear number one game, but it feels like there's a pretty significant dropoff, especially in the platformer genre. Now, if you're a huge shooter fan, absolutely it's the system for you. And while I don't have a lot of experience with the RPGs on the Duo, the Genesis seems to have a lot more heavy hitters than you'd think at first glance, especially once you factor in the Lunar games.
The NES would be very hard for me to give up, of course. I think the SNES is the clear number one, but the PSX/PS2 has some absolute gems as well. It would be a really, really hard decision for that second-place console.
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