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Post by Ex on Aug 14, 2020 0:49:38 GMT -5
SargeIt's hard to throw in the towel and walk away once you're that far invested, I understand. What your describing doesn't sound fun to me at all though. I wouldn't blame you if you bailed, but you know later on you'll regret not finishing it. Or at least, that's how it usually goes for me, when I quit a game I've put that amount of hours into.
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Post by Sarge on Aug 14, 2020 1:33:00 GMT -5
Welp, I finished it. Thoughts tomorrow.
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Post by Xeogred on Aug 22, 2020 18:02:38 GMT -5
So some Sony (USA) higher ups back in the 90's had a personal agenda against JRPG's or something? You guys were talking about that somewhere recently which was pretty interesting. That and whomever having an obvious stance against anything 2D, since that wasn't really "showcasing the tech and power of the Playstation". Forcing publishers to put games together as a package to make up for that "fault", like the Arc the Lad collection.
Was this a few morons that had something against Japan itself dominating the consoles back then? Even though the main ones were all Japanese anyways.
It's easy to see the damage whatever these mandates were back then did to that era in ways. But I find it hilarious too, JRPG's were all the craze and even Sony themselves wanted their own FF7 with Legend of Dragoon. Even sporty kids I knew were still into console RPG's. Attempting to push back on what was obviously one of the biggest genres at the time... what were they thinking.
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Post by anayo on Aug 22, 2020 18:15:39 GMT -5
Xeogred In the 90's I remember thinking 2D games on the Playstation, Nintendo 64, and Sega Saturn were lame. My thinking was, "That's what you get a Sega Genesis or Super NES for."
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Post by Sarge on Aug 22, 2020 18:17:13 GMT -5
Honestly, JRPGs really weren't all the rage until the release of FFVII. Even with their relative success on the SNES, they were still considered rather niche overall. Of course, since FFVII was such a technical showcase, they obviously couldn't stop that one, nor could they have really stomped on Wild ARMs, either, even if that one was more basic. It was certainly a short-sighted policy, though. anayo is right - a lot of gamers looked on 2D games on 32-bit systems with disdain. It's why, even if Sega had leaned into the Saturn's strengths, I'm not sure they would have done much better than they did.
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Post by toei on Aug 22, 2020 19:02:43 GMT -5
Yeah, FFVII defeated SCEA's anti-RPG policy, but Bernie Stolar, a high ranking executive at Sony of America, actually moved to Sega after that, and apparently still believed that RPGs were boring niche games that would never sell in the West, even though they had already become super popular and trendy by then. He also famously declared that "the Saturn is not Sega's future" long before the Dreamcast came out, which lots of people saw as the reason why late Saturn releases like Shining Force 3 Scenario 2 & 3 never made it out of Japan (and why Panzer Dragoon Saga was produced in such small quantities). Meanwhile, in Japan, the Saturn was experiencing a comeback thanks to the Segata Sanshiro ad campaign.
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Post by toei on Sept 7, 2020 13:33:44 GMT -5
I keep a lot of lists, and I thought I'd post this one. It's my main/action to-play list. I have a separate list for RPGs/adventure/action-adventure games.
Genesis: Battle Mania 2 Burning Force Dynamite Duke MUSHA Rolling Thunder 3 Shinobi III Wings of Wor
SNES: Adventures of Batman & Robin, The Run Saber
PC Engine: Download
Supergrafx: Madou King Granzort
Sega CD or PCE-CD: Lords of Thunder
PSX: Rising Zan
Dreamcast: Cannon Spike Zombie Revenge
Arcade: Battle Circuit Rastan
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Post by Xeogred on Sept 7, 2020 13:57:43 GMT -5
Genesis: Battle Mania 2 - I know the OST is incredible Burning Force - looks pretty cool Dynamite Duke - looks hilarious MUSHA - I really dig it Rolling Thunder 3 - Hope to play it this month Shinobi III - I actually wonder if you'll dislike this since it's kind of a departure from the early games, which I recall you liking a lot. For me I vastly favor III though Wings of Wor - Oh yes, this game has some amazing sprite work. Curious about it
SNES: Adventures of Batman & Robin, The - cool, never beat it myself Run Saber - I dig it
Sega CD or PCE-CD: Lords of Thunder - decent, played Sega CD version
PSX: Rising Zan - looks hilarious
Dreamcast: Cannon Spike Zombie Revenge
Arcade: Battle Circuit - never got around to this one when I played some arcade beat em' ups, it looks good Rastan - Conan in everything but name? Looks cool
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Post by Sarge on Sept 7, 2020 14:25:07 GMT -5
I like that idea, and I really should consider doing the same.
Anyway...
Genesis: Battle Mania 2 - I've got the prequel to this, Trouble Shooter, but haven't put a lot of time in. Everything I hear says this one is a big step up - and TS wasn't a bad shooter in the first place. MUSHA - Definitely one I need to get around to playing through. It'll happen eventually. Shinobi III - Fan-freaking-tastic. Love this game.
SNES: Adventures of Batman & Robin, The - I dig this a lot, but it can be very difficult in spots (not that such things stop you!). I think it feels good to play, but you might not like how it tends to be a bit slow. Run Saber - Strider knock-off that I probably like more than actual Strider, which makes me a heathen.
Sega CD or PCE-CD: Lords of Thunder - I prefer the Sega CD version of the soundtrack. I know most folks prefer the game portion of the Duo version, mainly because it's harder.
Dreamcast: Cannon Spike - I actually own a copy of this! It's a pretty darn fun shmup/run-and-gun that would make for an excellent play this month.
Arcade: Battle Circuit - Good Capcom brawler. Rastan - Tough as nails, but I love this game. It just has this amazing atmosphere about it. The style was copied by Volgarr in 2013 (which also takes inspiration from Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts). There just aren't many games that mimicked that exact style.
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Post by anayo on Sept 7, 2020 14:47:27 GMT -5
Genesis: Battle Mania 2 - I know the OST is incredible I beat Battle Mania 2 in 2018. It should have come out in the West. The fact that it didn't is just wrong.
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