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Post by Ex on Feb 9, 2023 21:21:00 GMT -5
Trust me I don't. Right now RDR2 is my all time favorite game ever, and it's hardly unpopular. It's the very definition of AAA, except it's the exception to how that usually turns out. My hesitation with BotW has to do with previous experience with the 3D Zelda entries. All of these 3D Zelda games get crazy high review scores and GOTY awards out the wazoo. I have played all of the 3D Zeldas currently available and beaten some of them. Literally the only 3D Zelda entry that I thought lived up to its reputation was Twilight Princess. The rest of them ranged from 6/10 - 7.5/10 for my tastes. I'm excluding BotW from that description though, as I've not played it enough to have a fully informed opinion. My point is, just because people tell me a Zelda game is awesome, doesn't mean it's actually going to be awesome, for MY tastes. That has nothing to do with BotW being the most lauded game of 2017. I tend to enjoy overhead 2D Zelda more. not to stress out over breaking weapons I don't. I've played many, many games that had weapon durability and breaking. That may have been a new concept to a lot of casual Zelda players but it's old hat for me. Also dealing with weather causing gameplay difficulties is nothing new either. Actually, RDR2 has weapon durability and all sorts of weather maladies. Yeah it's not cool to freeze to death due to wearing inadequate clothing, or have your horse get killed by lightning. Gotta be careful!
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Post by Sarge on Feb 9, 2023 22:01:28 GMT -5
Breath of the Wild really is wildly different. I still thought it was fantastic, even if it wasn't what I was looking for in a Zelda. For the record, I do think Twilight Princess was the best 3D entry, but I also loved Skyward Sword. I think we also agree on Wind Waker to some extent, although I still think that game is good (but a disappointment compared to some in the series), and I'm pretty sure you referred to it as Wind Wanker at some point.
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Post by Xeogred on Feb 9, 2023 23:20:52 GMT -5
Ex : Ah now I kind of see what you're getting at. Well, BoTW being such a departure from the 3D Zelda norm, might be a plus for you then. Moulinoski had a good point though. Maybe give it a few months after RDR2 before jumping in. I think there's been years lately where I only really do one open world game a year, though there's exceptions when platinum gold drops like Elden Ring and Xenoblde 3 last year. That said... this is better than BoTW and would probably be more interesting to hear your takes on.
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Post by Ex on Feb 10, 2023 1:42:28 GMT -5
Maybe give it a few months after RDR2 before jumping in. I have no intention of playing any big open world games for a while after RDR2. I just hit 150 hours in RDR2 tonight! Because even the epilogue chapters (yes there's TWO epilogues) have a lot of mandatory campaign missions. Plus you enter new territory so all kinds of new places to explore in general. And there's new optional missions in the epilogues as well. Rockstar went absolutely bonkers filling RDR2 with a crazy amount of content. Like literally insane, but I still love it.
As a result, I definitely intend to stick to shorter stuff for a while after RDR2 is done. Dread is still the next game on my docket after RDR2's credits finally roll. That said, yes I will play DS2 before BotW. DS2 is wayyy higher on my "excited to play this" list.
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Post by Moulinoski on Feb 10, 2023 7:56:58 GMT -5
Trust me I don't. Right now RDR2 is my all time favorite game ever, and it's hardly unpopular. It's the very definition of AAA, except it's the exception to how that usually turns out. My hesitation with BotW has to do with previous experience with the 3D Zelda entries. All of these 3D Zelda games get crazy high review scores and GOTY awards out the wazoo. I have played all of the 3D Zeldas currently available and beaten some of them. Literally the only 3D Zelda entry that I thought lived up to its reputation was Twilight Princess. The rest of them ranged from 6/10 - 7.5/10 for my tastes. I'm excluding BotW from that description though, as I've not played it enough to have a fully informed opinion. My point is, just because people tell me a Zelda game is awesome, doesn't mean it's actually going to be awesome, for MY tastes. That has nothing to do with BotW being the most lauded game of 2017. I tend to enjoy overhead 2D Zelda more. This is interesting to read since I remember every Zelda after Majora’s Mask getting lambasted with criticism upon release for either not being the space world demo (Windwaker) or being the “same” thing again and again (as if that’s a bad thing if you already like Zelda). BotW is not like previous Zelda games. I think I already mentioned it previously but I personally see it as a spinoff. A spin-off that might end up overtaking the main series but a spin-off nevertheless. The only Zelda that’s close to it in comparison is A Link Between Worlds (because of the open, go anywhere nature) or Legend of Zelda (again, the open go anywhere nature). Many people praised BotW for being not like Zelda at all. A small minority were bummed out because it was not like Zelda (I was initially like this until I rethought what it is). BotW is the Zelda game for people who don’t enjoy the Zelda formula and who just want a playground to fool around in. That said, yes, please play Metroid Dread. You’re in violation of some intergalactic law by not having played it yet. Very good Metroid, could even be the best one but I don’t want to hype it too much and end up overhyping it. It’s very good though and very fluid.
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Post by Xeogred on Feb 10, 2023 10:35:07 GMT -5
Very good Metroid, could even be the best one but I don’t want to hype it too much and end up overhyping it. It’s very good though and very fluid. Yeah, I'd put it above the GBA games and I love Zero Mission (though still prefer Metroid NES actually). The bar for 2D Metroid is fairly high, but Dread might be the best one for my tastes since NES/Super. Just wish the music was more melodic.
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Post by Ex on Feb 10, 2023 11:20:00 GMT -5
I remember every Zelda after Majora’s Mask getting lambasted with criticism upon release for either not being the space world demo (Windwaker) or being the “same” thing again and again Perhaps in some tiny forum circles. But holistically Metacritic argues otherwise. I don't dislike Zelda, by the way. I've beaten many of the games in the series (even the DS stuff). Some of them, like A Link to the Past and Awakening, I consider 10/10s. But the 3D games have always been hit and miss for me, largely miss overall. It's not because they are 3D, but due to other factors. I've beaten every Metroid game except MP3 (and its on my docket) and Hunters (DS), so Dread will happen. I didn't have a Switch when it first released. Then I bought a Switch to play Dread (and the upcoming Front Mission remakes) right when I started playing RDR2. Had no idea RDR2 would be as huge and captivating as it is, been playing it for months now. Also I don't play video games as fervently as some HRG members do, so my completion ratio is at a less intense gait.
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Post by Moulinoski on Feb 10, 2023 11:33:55 GMT -5
I remember every Zelda after Majora’s Mask getting lambasted with criticism upon release for either not being the space world demo (Windwaker) or being the “same” thing again and again Perhaps in some tiny forum circles. But holistically Metacritic argues otherwise. I don't dislike Zelda, by the way. I've beaten many of the games in the series (even the DS stuff). Some of them, like A Link to the Past and Awakening, I consider 10/10s. But the 3D games have always been hit and miss for me, largely miss overall. It's not because they are 3D, but due to other factors. I’m not talking about forums, I’m talking big time critics. Have you heard of the Zelda cycle? It’s like this: a new Zelda comes out and it gets criticized from top to bottom, then some time passes and it is retroactively praised. It’s not consistent but it has happened since Windwaker (and maybe even Majora’s Mask to a lesser extent). Even Twilight Princess was criticized for being “Ocarina of Time 2.0” by people who probably have only been exposed to Zelda via teaser trailers. I think A Link Between Worlds managed to avoid this fate. Breath of the Wild also avoided it but that game isn’t really a Zelda game in the classic sense anyway. I’m sure that fans had the opposite reaction as critics did. I know that anyone who played Windwaker ended up loving it and the same goes for the other Zelda games. Even Skyward Sword has its fans (and for good reason, it has some fun things in it). Mind you, critics often would say “yeah, it’s another Zelda game, you know the drill” but then give it a 8/10 or whatever which is a bit dissonant with the lack of enthusiasm they’d talk about them. At least, this is how I remembered it being. It was frustrating being a Zelda fan for a while seeing other “Zelda fans” and critics complain about how Zelda is still Zelda.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 10, 2023 11:38:00 GMT -5
The thing I've observed with Zelda is that it will often get great reviews, but there's always a chorus that grows that says, "well, ackshually the previous game wasn't very good". I think there's a sort of contrarian reaction to games that are overwhelmingly popular, and I won't even lie and say I've not been subject to it. Heck, I just experienced it with Dark Souls. The constant drumbeat of that community bordered on irritating, but it's a legit great game. (I just wish they'd stop insisting everything needs to be like Dark Souls, including Zelda.)
I think I'm just wired to enjoy all of Zelda more than most. Honestly, the only one that comes to mind that I truly didn't care for was Majora's Mask. And even that one, I understand the appeal.
I absolutely remember how much Wind Waker got shredded by gamers at the time. And it probably didn't help that it fed into Nintendo's "kiddy" image. Twilight Princess almost felt like an apology for that.
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Post by Ex on Feb 10, 2023 11:44:29 GMT -5
Have you heard of the Zelda cycle? Yes, I'm well aware of it. I was there for memes such as this: But that cycle is a product of a small subset of critics. By and large new Zelda mainline games get 9/10s across the board holistically. That's easily verifiable. It's been that way since the NES days. Sometimes it's warranted, and sometimes (in my opinion) it's not.
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