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Post by Xeogred on Mar 29, 2020 22:43:51 GMT -5
I've got the original Nier on 360. I've of course not played it yet. One of the #1 games that is driving me to buy a PS4 this year though is Nier: Automata, looks like a must play. I didn't realize until recently that Nier is a spin-off from the Drakengard series. Nier Automata was my favorite of 2017 and perhaps this generation overall. But it's a very me game (existential sci-fi anime with great ARPG action), gave me a lot of Xenogears vibes too at times.
It's a very loose spinoff, one of those "X endings is the beginning of Y series" or vice versa. How people used to talk about Demon's Souls & Dark Souls as well. Yoko Taro himself apparently hates Drakengard now and jokes if he could remake it, old fans would hate it because he would change everything. I ended up just watching a "movie" cut of it on YouTube and it was fascinating... definitely one of the darkest games in existence probably. It just seems outright evil for the sake of being vile, the main character is legitimately psychotic and just wants to murder. Gameplay looked wacky and not like my cup of tea. I did play all of Drakengard 3 though, which plays a bit more like Nier in ways but with linear levels, beat em' styled, and a horrendous budget/engine. Tonally there were sex jokes and other weirdness, the main character is a former prostitute, etc, which just goes to show how Yoko Taro likes to do whatever he wants sometimes. He wasn't the lead director on 2 though.
The Nier games are definitely more consistent in tone and style though. Anyone who plays the original first should have their enjoyment of Automata enhanced even further, since it has some recurring characters, nods, etc. But they're both self contained in a Xeno-game kind of way.
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Post by Ex on Mar 30, 2020 0:37:51 GMT -5
definitely one of the darkest games in existence probably. It just seems outright evil for the sake of being vile, the main character is legitimately psychotic and just wants to murder I did play all of Drakengard 3 though I remember you going nuclear over the final boss battle in that game. Just wanna know why 2B wears that blindfold all the time.
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Post by Xeogred on Mar 30, 2020 8:40:11 GMT -5
2B and other characters like her that are androids wear the blindfolds to distinguish themselves from normal humans. Think they said in games it doesn't do anything with their vision. lol
And yeah, THIS is the final boss of Drakengard 3. A rhythm game that goes for 8 minutes that you have to do perfectly. You miss once and it's over. The big ladies shooting out those circular beams is what you have to timely hit. Now skim around if you don't want to watch it and see how the camera pans around going off screen to where you can't even see when these beams hit your character. Then at the very end, there's even some you have to hit when the screen fades to black. The song keeps evolving too and it's not like you can just do it by ear. Absolute bullshit. The player is not controlling the camera here at all, you can't.
I remember trying probably for hours worth everyday after work for a week or two (the ~8 minutes added up after a lot of fails), attempting to perfectly sync up my game with this guide. I could get far but always lost it when things started speeding up. I still can't believe this exists in an otherwise standard ARPG. I know the first Drakengard had something similar and I don't know why either.
So yeah, that's why I said I played all of it... but didn't beat it.
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Post by Ex on Mar 30, 2020 9:32:59 GMT -5
2B and other characters like her that are androids wear the blindfolds to distinguish themselves from normal humans. Thanks for explaining that. What happens if you just keep hammering whatever button you're supposed to hit? Like pressing X or whatever rapidly for the entire eight minutes? All the same that is some horseshit of the highest caliber right there. I guess deaf gamers don't exist in Japan.
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Post by Xeogred on Mar 30, 2020 9:43:44 GMT -5
What happens if you just keep hammering whatever button you're supposed to hit? Like pressing X or whatever rapidly for the entire eight minutes? All the same that is some horseshit of the highest caliber right there. Hmm, guess I can't remember. But I think there was a bit of a delay to your stopping power against the beams, or it just failed you. I'm not about to bust it out and find out. I was even thinking of doing the DLC for the game and 100%'ing it, but a disingenuous rhythm game boss fight is one way to make me flush it forever. Thank goodness the Nier series doesn't have this crap.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 30, 2020 16:25:06 GMT -5
Man, if one has any sort of rhythm challenges, that's a brick wall boss if I ever saw one.
(I actually watched the whole thing, and I'm pretty sure I could do it, but hooooooo boy I'm not sure it's worth it.)
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Post by Xeogred on Mar 30, 2020 17:05:27 GMT -5
I could barely play bass on low settings in Guitar Hero. Rhythm crap is definitely my kryptonite. Which is extra reason why that boss infuriated me so much, it felt insulting!
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Post by Sarge on Mar 30, 2020 17:12:39 GMT -5
I suspect the reason I've gotten better at it is all the choir stuff I do. Nothing like practice! I remember my brother pulling me in for a rhythm section in... Brave Fencer Musashi. Yes, there is a rhythm boss in there.
Is there any wiggle room allowed at all, or does it have to be absolutely perfect timing?
Also, that last note is such a troll. The timing there felt way, way off on when you're supposed to press the button.
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Post by Xeogred on Mar 30, 2020 18:31:29 GMT -5
There's no wiggle room at all. Trust me, I thought I could do it when I found guides and would sometimes get it perfectly synced up with the battle and would just watch my PC for the inputs. But it's harder than it looks, even if it already looks like BS.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 30, 2020 18:54:58 GMT -5
That's just when you say screw it and watch the ending on YouTube.
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