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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:31:26 GMT -5
Not sure why the game would get lambasted on a Japanese board. It's not like it was that big of a departure from the previous games in the series, so it should've pleased the fans for the most part.
As for Persona, it definitely overtook the main series. It's also true Persona 3 is the 'watershed installment' in the series as it introduced all the social and dating aspects, but there are also people who care enough to explore the older games and other SMT-related games. Myself, the first Persona is my favorite entry in the series - and that's a very unpopular opinion. That said, I'd take Devil Summoner and especially Devil Survivor over SMT and Persona.
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Post by toei on Jul 29, 2020 14:42:47 GMT -5
Not sure why the game would get lambasted on a Japanese board. It's not like it was that big of a departure from the previous games in the series, so it should've pleased the fans for the most part. As for Persona, it definitely overtook the main series. It's also true Persona 3 is the 'watershed installment' in the series as it introduced all the social and dating aspects, but there are also people who care enough to explore the older games and other SMT-related games. Myself, the first Persona is my favorite entry in the series - and that's a very unpopular opinion. That said, I'd take Devil Summoner and especially Devil Survivor over SMT and Persona. You oughta try the Growlanser series. It's by the same team that made Devil Survivor prior to being merged into Atlus. Also the same team as the first 4 Langrisser games. All those games have the same director, give or take one or two.
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Post by Xeogred on Jul 29, 2020 14:44:48 GMT -5
I've been long planning to hit up this one first... I don't think I've met anyone offline or even online that talks about these, lol. But they look awesome.
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Post by Ex on Jul 29, 2020 14:52:43 GMT -5
Gamers want to play the same game over and over again, until you force them to try something new and they realize they like it. This is absolutely true. The majority of gamers are perfectly happy to wallow in a comfortable rut. The problem of course, is that behavior does nothing to help evolve the medium towards meaningful innovation. Eventually customers start complaining about how everything in the AA/AAA space looks the same and there's nothing but sequels on the horizon. Gee I wonder why dummies. I bet 90% of the Persona 4-5 fanatics have not and will never play the first two games, so I wouldn't be surprised if these people still don't care about SMT even with the direct lineage there. To be an elitist yet honest asshat, I will say that the vast majority of P4/5 players would have their souls crushed by Nocturne. SMT3 is basically the complete antithesis to what Persona represents.
Sounds like those guys have their act together. I would never listen to a streaming audio show that harbored old video game haters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 14:56:49 GMT -5
You oughta try the Growlanser series. Yeah, I'll probably play some SRPG again eventually and I'll give it a shot with Growlanser Generations. Hopefully Working Design didn't butcher it too much. I also really want to try Eternal Poison as it looks the coolest to me, but I know you had issues with it. I don't think I've met anyone offline or even online that talks about these, lol. I did play the first Digital Devil Saga. Didn't really feel much for the characters/story, but it does have a cool setting and solid gameplay.
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Post by Sarge on Jul 29, 2020 18:38:11 GMT -5
toei : Bro fist for another mention of Growlanser. Seriously, if you're a person that doesn't really care for RTS games, but do like RPGs or SRPGs, give them a go. I definitely like them a lot. I've got both Digital Devil Saga games. Put a bit of time into the first one. They're easier than Nocturne, but do use the same battle system. They are also at least somewhat controversial because you turn into monsters (one of which even has boob mouths) and eat fellow humans (that also turn into monsters) to survive (or ascend to Nirvana, whatever). As for Japanese gamers whining about games, I think that's just a portion of gaming fandom everywhere that seems to transcend cultures. (Although I certainly, at least for what passes as one for me, pitched a fit when they floated the idea of making Dragon Quest IX an action-RPG. Uh, no thanks.) Also, interesting timing for a Nocturne "Chronicle" version translation to drop. Although maybe this is just a revision, hard to tell on RHDN. www.romhacking.net/translations/3283/
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Post by toei on Jul 29, 2020 19:29:39 GMT -5
Sarge I wouldn't want mainline DQ to go action, but a proper DQ ARPG spin-off would be nice. As for Growlanser... I can't imagine this series not developing a solid fanbase if more people tried them. There are games I love where I can see why they're niche or overlooked, but Growlanser IV? It has everything going for it, except maybe a somewhat generic-looking cover, and widespread RPG fatigue caused by too many mediocre modern JRPGs. BTW... shouldn't you switch avatars now that your name is red? @tsumuri I liked Eternal Poison's gameplay, but it's one of those games where you have tons of choices as to how the story goes... and most choices are wrong. Actually getting to the final chapter and getting a proper ending pretty much requires following a FAQ, or maybe replaying it over and over until you get it right. And this is a SRPG, so who has the time to do that?
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Post by Sarge on Jul 29, 2020 19:33:15 GMT -5
I don't know how to change that, either, without changing Ex 's. Maybe I could also add myself back to the moderator group to get it back? I agree, though, an ARPG spin-off is fine. I just don't want it as a mainline entry, in the way I didn't want Dragon Quest X or Final Fantasy XI/XIV to be MMORPGs. Feel a bit disingenuous to the spirit of the series. At least be nice and do what Sega did, and call it Phantasy Star Online, instead of Phantasy Star V. Oh well, not like I'm in charge of these decisions anyway.
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Post by Ex on Jul 29, 2020 21:04:13 GMT -5
Growlanser... I can't imagine this series not developing a solid fanbase if more people tried them. I own all the English entries at least, so that's a start. I love the character art style. Always been a fan of Satoshi Urushihara's artwork. Maybe the same SRPG players who grind their Disgaea characters to max levels across the board? I've got both Digital Devil Saga games. I legit own both DDS games as well. I'd like to play them of course. Just so many games so little time... I don't know how to change that, either, without changing Ex 's. Well, you could create a new group with administrator privileges just for yourself, and dictate the color name and star color. Whatever you are comfortable with. I agree. Most the problems I had with DQIX were due to its pseudo-MMORPG amalgam.
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Post by Sarge on Jul 29, 2020 21:12:43 GMT -5
Yep, that encapsulates my issue with DQIX as well. Just didn't care for the MMO-style quests at all. I understand it adds "replay value", but unless you're in an area with a lot of people playing it, and are really into grinding, it's pretty meh.
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