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Post by Sarge on Feb 17, 2021 22:32:55 GMT -5
I mean, yeah, there are a lot of ports, but is it fair to hold that against it when the Wii U was an absolute dumpster fire and the spectacular, wonderful Wii was filled with metric tons of shovelware? (I loved the Wii U, but dang if the rest of the market didn't.)
Anyway, I do think you'd enjoy Super Mario Odyssey, Octopath Traveler was splendid (and I'm expecting good things from Bravely Default II), and I'm sure Luigi's Mansion 3 will be splendid when I roll around to it. Oh, and while I don't care for the waifu direction Fire Emblem has taken, I still suspect it will be a fun game. You mentioned Xenoblade, and yeah, it's fun. I don't think it'll blow the doors off of you - it's around the first game's quality level, probably - but you'd I think derive some enjoyment from it.
I do understand your annoyance to some degree, though. As we age, more and more of their output just doesn't appeal to me, as evidenced by my lukewarm reaction to most of their output this time.
I do wonder if perhaps the Switch Mini would be more to your liking. It would basically fill the niche that the 3DS used to, and is likely more comfortable to play for extended sessions.
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Post by Ex on Feb 17, 2021 22:58:07 GMT -5
yeah, there are a lot of ports, but is it fair to hold that against it when the Wii U was an absolute dumpster fire The Wii U actually had many more exclusives than the Switch ever has, until Nintendo started looting the Wii U's corpse turning its once exclusives into Switch ports. Only if someone wasn't paying attention.
The Wii had plenty of crap titles as all popular consoles do. But it was also filled with many great exclusives that weren't just Nintendo primary IP rehashes. Lest we forget such cool stuff as The Last Story, Another Code: R, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Klonoa (2008), Sonic Colors, Nights: Journey of Dreams, Pandora's Tower, Endless Ocean 1 & 2, Excitebots, MadWorld, Red Steel 2, Rune Factory Frontier, The Sky Crawlers, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers, Rodea the Sky Soldier, Sin & Punishment: Star Successor, Trauma Team, Deadly Creatures, Arc Rise Fantasia... and many more I'm forgetting. Unfortunately, some of the Wii's greats have already been siphoned by the Switch black hole, such as Super Mario Galaxy, Xenoblade and soon Skyword Sword. I do plan to emulate SMO someday. Octopath Traveler I own already via the PC version. I'd be surprised if BD2 wasn't ported to PC soon enough. Nope. I was serious about the emulation. I'm not knocking you, or anyone else, who enjoys the Switch. I just wanted to explain why I personally don't care about it, in a more succinct fashion. Anybody and everybody who loves modern Nintendo and their Switch, more power to you all. I just know what Nintendo is actually capable of, and I won't support anything but their best. The Switch is not their best.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 17, 2021 23:14:55 GMT -5
I think it's worthwhile to note that the days of true exclusive games for systems are nearly over at this point. Many of them come out on PC or other machines - Nintendo is one of the few holdouts on their first-party output, and for them, I think they have to. Microsoft jumped all the way in this generation, and even Sony started to get into the action putting Horizon: Zero Dawn on PC, and that's a trend that I hope continues.
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Post by Ex on Feb 18, 2021 1:30:21 GMT -5
I think it's worthwhile to note that the days of true exclusive games for systems are nearly over at this point. I unfortunately agree. I also agree here. (Excluding Nintendo's first party games produced for mobile platforms.)
That one did surprise me, about like when Nintendo was porting their games to Nvidia Shield.
Of note, there's still a fair amount of AA/AAA PS4 exclusives presently. That is one of the reasons I bought the platform.
Anyway to end my previous dissing on a more positive note, I am looking forward to seeing how Metroid Prime 4 shapes up. It'll also be interesting to see how BotW2 evolves over its predecessor. And of course, I'd always be interested in a new F-Zero or Punch-Out!! or Star Fox.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 18, 2021 1:35:41 GMT -5
Yeah, gotta stay positive. More than enough to play already anyway!
And yeah, a ton of Sony games are still only on PS4. Will be interesting to see if HZD was a one-off.
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Post by Ex on Feb 18, 2021 1:41:51 GMT -5
Yeah, gotta stay positive. More than enough to play already anyway! I probably come off far more negative than I mean to be sometimes. I'm still positive about video games. Old video games at least! Of which, as you said, there's mass quantities yet unplayed (by me at least). I enjoyed my hour with Moonlight Witch tonight. Portable JRPGs make for a great nightcap.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 18, 2021 1:46:33 GMT -5
And I may be coming off as contrarian. So just... grain of salt and all that.
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Post by Xeogred on Feb 18, 2021 11:09:55 GMT -5
Honestly Ex , you and I, most of us here, are OLD. We're old gamers. We've been playing Nintendo games for decades. Do you know how little my nephew cared about the mini SNES and Genesis I got him? The Switch is what lit him up and is all he cares about videogame wise. This subject came up on a podcast today for me too, there are millions of kids out there like my nephew, where Super Mario Odyssey was their first Mario game. These kids might want more of that and other franchises that we've long seen reiterated over the years. But it's new to them. Tons of people are our age who grew up playing videogames are now raising families fueling these publishers and games. I'm not on the same page as you as Nintendo in ways (I've always kind of seen the nasty Apple slant myself though), but I don't think this also really pushes back on your fair arguments and reasoning. As in, not to justify some of the issues you take with them or make an excuse. Still, I think it's a potentially mortal and funny food for thought. I still get a quality experience out of first party Nintendo games. But in the grand scheme of things I'm somewhat of a... traditionalist I guess, if you want a lame label or something to box me in. If 100 NES Mega Man games existed, I'd play and love them all. I'm a sucker for a good formula and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But I don't have much tolerance for some modern trends, like open world games. So I can easily see how someone might just be tired and done with Nintendo or others' games at this point, if you've been in the game for a long while.
Guess I'm loyal to a fault too sometimes, but that would be purely for Zelda and Metroid. I will always want to play the new mainline entries of those. I love some Mario games, had a BLAST last year going through a few of them again, but I always need a little more to push me to get a new Nintendo system. In recent years, that's also been the Xeno-games to me. I have my nitpicks gameplay wise with them sometimes, but story/world/character wise that series continues to feel like something designed entirely for me haha.
Anyways, I don't really feel like I can defend Xbox or where Sony has been heading in recent years, any better at all. Kind of up in the air which "brand" I like the most right now. Hence it's no coincidence I'm starting to focus more on PC lately...
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Post by Ex on Feb 18, 2021 14:11:54 GMT -5
Well, I'm about to turn 42 next month. So I don't think I'm "OLD" in a human being lifespan sense. But in the world of video game playing, yeah I'm pretty ancient. The first video game I played was back in 1982, so yes I've seen a lot in this medium. Sarge is only younger than me by a few months. And he doesn't share the same qualms I do with the constant Nintendo reiterations aspect. However, he doesn't seem excited for newer Nintendo IPs like Animal Crossing, Splatoon, Miitopia... I don't think I've seen him praise Smash Bros. much even. My point there is he's my age and still loves Nintendo, but only the big franchises he grew up with (Mario, Zelda, Kirby). I think a lot of older gamers who are still into Nintendo, are in it for the original core IPs. I think my thing with Zelda, is I just prefer the overhead 2D style, much more than the 3D style. There's only been one 3D Zelda I've played that I really liked, that was TP. I hated WW, Ocarina was okay but overrated, I got annoyed with SS and quit, and what little I played of BotW did not impress me. I'm not saying these are bad games, but they just don't resonate with me like the original Zeldas did. Of all Nintendo's new IPs, the Xeno games do intrigue me the most. I did beat Xenoblade, and for me it was a 7/10, which means it was decent. I'm open to playing more in the series. I've got the second one on Wii U. For the past few generations, say from the 5th on, I've been more keen towards Sony. The PS1 and PS2 were amazing platforms. The PS3 is good, but I did choose the Wii over it in fondness. Don't know about the PS4 yet, but I think I'll be happier with it than I would have been with a Switch. As I begin to buy PS4 games and post them in New Finds, it will become clear why I wanted that system. Anyway, I'm just rambling at this point. It doesn't hurt Nintendo nor its demographic for one gaming grognard to snub their Switch.
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Post by Xeogred on Feb 18, 2021 15:01:42 GMT -5
Well not to speak for Sarge either... but I'd be with him on that and not caring about a lot of the newer Nintendo IP's. It was hard to NOT hear a lot about Animal Crossing last year all over the podcasts. That "game", sounded like WORK to me. People would talk about setting their alarms (I'm talking real life!) just to get up at certain times to buy turnips or something ridiculous. Good lord, that game sounded like a nightmare to me. Splatoon I just look at and keep my distance, far far away from it. I didn't even get around to Pikmin and I'm not sure I ever will.
I was pretty big on Smash Bros 1, Melee, and the Wii once (since that one had a level editor). It was always just couch party shenanigans though. Never took it too seriously. If we even want to call it a "fighter", I still wouldn't put it anywhere near my favorites like the Tekken or Soul Calibur games.
I'm interested in Luigi's Mansion 3 somewhat. And I bought Fire Emblem Three Houses, so that will be way back into that series. I only played the GBA ones and thought they were alright.
At least if Metroid gets on the Switch, it'll sell well. Just about every single IP they own is breaking franchise records. We were speaking of how hard it is to get new IP's going, even Platinum's Astral Chain was a million seller. I'm very curious to see how well Monster Hunter Rise sells... World is Capcom's best selling game of all time, it was over like 13 million last I heard awhile back. I think Rise has potential to beat that. There's the built in monster Switch userbase and I wonder if this one will bring out hardcore Monster Hunter fans that maybe passed on World, though I'm not sure why they would have. Seemed like that one pleased both old and new (me) fans all around.
Sony was King for me through the PS1-PS4 ultimately in the end, but as Ex here has his gripes about Nintendo, there are many things I don't like about Sony's direction in recent years. They're not really even a Japanese company at this point. I've never even really loved a lot of their modern first party games myself. But the Sony platforms have just always had the insane 3rd party support, along with all the Japanese games that the Xbox/PC normally wouldn't get. But a lot of Japanese publishers are hitting up the PC more thesedays.
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