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Post by anayo on Feb 18, 2021 16:38:45 GMT -5
Animal Crossing sounds like work to me as well but I think people dig it for the same reasons that the Nintendo Wii was a hit. It seems to speak to people who don't ordinarily get into games. I can't get into myself but I respect Nintendo's initiative to think outside the box and getting more non-gamers into gaming.
I love Splatoon and will probably buy Splatoon 3. The music and art style delight me to no end and the gameplay is really fun. I was interested in that one Plants Vs. Zombies 3rd person shooter for similar reasons, although apparently that title isn't as good as Splatoon. Maybe the Call of Duty Modern Warfare and Gears of War era of FPSes just dulled my senses so much that I wanted a 3rd person cute-em-up as a pallete cleanser.
As for young people today not liking pre-Nintendo Switch games: I was born in the very early 90's then in the early 2000's I got super interested in gaming history. For some reason it went beyond wanting to have a way to unwind, connect with friends, and pursue the latest tech toy. I wanted a deeper understanding of this pastime's origins and how it evolved. The most interesting case of falling in love with games before my time was probably the Atari Anniversary Edition Redux and Namco Museum Volume 3 compilations for the Playstation 1. I got really, really into Tempest, Battlezone, and Dig Dug and even read an entire novel about the rise and fall of Atari on my fuzzy CRT TV. It can't be said that I was trying to relive any special memories because these games were all from before my time and I had never experienced them before. For reasons I can't really articulate it was just important to me to get a better understanding of that era and its games. These days on certain retro gaming sub reddits I read similar posts from people 10-15 years younger than me discovering Super Nintendo or N64, getting really interested in it, and even collecting original carts and hardware. I think there will always young people who take an interest to this hobby, although those who do will likely always be weird outliers.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 18, 2021 16:56:29 GMT -5
I've always been mixed on Nintendo's output since... probably the N64 days, honestly. But they still make enough games that appeal to me. I'm a bit like Xeogred in that if a game establishes a formula that I love, I'm more than okay with playing more of that formula. Igavanias, Zelda games, good Mega Man games, you name it. I like new stuff, too, but I definitely have my preferences, and I feel like I'm a mix of Nintendo homer (I will always root for their success) and Sony/Microsoft fan with some properties. Basically, I guess I'm an adult gamer like Ex and the rest of us, so tastes change over the years. There's no way I'd be able to subsist just on Nintendo's offerings; that's why I have a PS4 (and all their other consoles) in the first place. I know that a lot of younger people (especially folks around anayo's age) often have people that introduce them to classic games early on. Sometimes it sticks, sometimes it doesn't, but I have friends that I set up with some fantastic classic games and emulators, and I think it definitely primed them to love certain games (especially Zelda or some RPGs). I also think it's easier to step back and play games starting in the NES era than any other, because so much of the foundational work on the 2D side is there and plainly visible. It doesn't feel like the massive downgrade in scope that second-gen gaming (mostly) was. The move from simple, single-screen score attacks to full-sized adventures was a game changer. And while I occasionally enjoy diving into those much older games, I will admit that the NES era is where my fascination really starts, and I have to think that's more than just nostalgia given how much I've stuck to it. And I will say this: even though I like the Switch, and have had a blast with some games on there, I absolutely do think that the system is a bit more slim on the sorts of games that I love... that I didn't already experience on Wii U, anyway. Ah, the curse of being an adopter of that platform. If I'd skipped it, I'd probably think the Switch was the greatest thing ever, ports and all, because dad gum are some of those ports fantastic games. Nintendo really did a number on Wii U's library, putting out an absolutely stellar set of titles for that short amount of time they were keeping it afloat.
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Post by Xeogred on Feb 18, 2021 18:38:15 GMT -5
Yeah, variety is the spice of life. Skipping over the Xbox hasn't been that hard in recent years. But a rotation of the Switch, PS4, and PC gives me endless options. Then throw in all the retro stuff. It'll always be the "games" that really win most of us over. But yeah, Nintendo will retain a few IP's I'll always want to keep up with.
NES is still my cutoff myself. It's a bit of nostalgia but also that kind of game design/philosophy with sidescrollers and such is part of my DNA now.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 18, 2021 19:08:56 GMT -5
Every once in a while, I'll be impressed by what an earlier game does. But those tend to be on home computers (Ultima was weird, but absolutely impressive for its time), or rarities like Gateway to Apshai, which I played on Colecovision, but has roots in those early home computers as well.
Also, Colecovision is a weird case, anyway. It's on the cusp of the third generation, so I'd expect some more ambitious stuff there anyway. Oh, and it's going to be hard to convince me that Sega's SG-1000 just happened to have the exact same hardware. That'd be one heck of a coincidence to land on the exact same configuration.
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Post by toei on Feb 18, 2021 19:17:29 GMT -5
Every once in a while, I'll be impressed by what an earlier game does. But those tend to be on home computers ( Ultima was weird, but absolutely impressive for its time), or rarities like Gateway to Apshai, which I played on Colecovision, but has roots in those early home computers as well. Also, Colecovision is a weird case, anyway. It's on the cusp of the third generation, so I'd expect some more ambitious stuff there anyway. Oh, and it's going to be hard to convince me that Sega's SG-1000 just happened to have the exact same hardware. That'd be one heck of a coincidence. Yeah, I was pretty impressed with the Colecovision when we did that month. The best stuff is on par with the better early NES / Master System stuff (that would be the games originally released for the SG-1000, in the latter case). Also, the MSX is almost the same as the Colecovision, too. The SG-1000 was made with off-the-shelf parts using a pre-established recipe. And Sega was supposed to distribute the CV in Japan at one point*, but backed away due to the US crash, so it makes sense to think that they went "let's just make our own". *There were also negotiations with Nintendo, and probably other companies we don't know about.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 18, 2021 19:20:11 GMT -5
Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I'd forgotten that little bit about (potentially) distributing the system in Japan.
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Post by Ex on Feb 18, 2021 22:01:29 GMT -5
>Animal CrossingI don't get it either. It's a needy virtual life of chores and obligations, with pretend friendships, and no real way to "beat" the game. I guess people just play it until they pay off their house and/or get bored. The idea of a game you can't "beat" just never sits well with me. I need closure. >SplatoonTo be brutally honest, I hate this game's aesthetic and artstyle. Is it a kid or a squid I don't care I'll shoot it in the face with actual bullets. I have enjoyed multiplayer shooters before, even online ones once in a while, so I get why that aspect is attractive. For me Splatoon was Nintendo simply saying, "We need a family friendly online FPS for kids to play." So they did Splatoon. >Smash Bros.I played untold hours of the N64, GC, and Wii versions. But always with other people locally (not online). I've never played Smash alone. I own the 3DS and Wii U versions, but haven't tried them yet. >Luigi's MansionI never cared about this series until Sarge started talking about how good they are. After that, I bought the two that are on 3DS. I still haven't played them yet, but I think for Halloween times they'd be fun. >PikminI own the first on GC, the second on Wii, and the third on Wii U. I've played a bit of the first, it seemed okay, but I didn't finish it. >there are many things I don't like about Sony's direction in recent yearsMy only big complaint is an increased amount of censorship on SCEA's behalf. I also agree that the company is too western oriented. My most favorite PlayStation games are all third party Japanese stuff. >Plants Vs. Zombies I hadn't even thought about that name since like 2009 or something. It's like talking about Angry Birds nowadays. Weird to see it coming back. >pre-NES era gamesI'm not the biggest fan of super simple "single screen" games. For me they are usually fun for about one minute. Even when I was a little Ex back in the early '80s, I felt that way. That said, I've played some really great games from 1978-1982 that actually had depth. But those were the exceptions. To recap, I don't care for modern "Switch-era" Nintendo. I don't like the hardware design, the company's current management/direction, nor the endless ports and rehashes they spew out these days. That said, I love the 3DS and I like the Wii U, and everything going backwards is all good for me in Nintendoland (sans the Virtual Boy perhaps). That is to say, I still have mad love for Nintendo, it just depends on what era of Nintendo we're talking about. Going forward, I only plan to collect games for PS4 and PC. At least until 2030. Unless a badass virtual reality portable releases, then I might bite on that early. If it's reasonably priced and well supported.
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Post by Xeogred on Feb 25, 2021 17:37:35 GMT -5
Whelp Sarge , right after you beat FF7R...
GAH, I need a PS5 now.
EDIT: Might be coming to PS4...
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Post by Xeogred on Feb 25, 2021 19:05:53 GMT -5
Also finally some good news on this one!
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Post by Sarge on Feb 25, 2021 22:54:35 GMT -5
I can definitely put off the PS5. I enjoyed FF7R a lot, but I don't know if that DLC is going to be substantial enough, and I'm not itching to dive back in immediately. However, I will save that extra post-game content for when I do get a PS5. That will happen, just might be a year or two off. We'll see!
At least the upgrade to PS5 is free!
Also, that Ever Crisis mobile game looks pretty slick. I'm not usually one for that stuff, but... maybe that will see a Switch port.
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