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Post by Sarge on Mar 9, 2020 16:33:32 GMT -5
Some folks have more free time, I suppose. And they're super excited to be able to have input into the development process. It's a little like Kickstarter, I suppose, except at least there's a functioning, if incomplete, product to play with.
Speaking of early access, that's what is happening with that Record of Lodoss War game, and that looks fantastic already.
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Post by Ex on Mar 9, 2020 17:26:05 GMT -5
that's for people who get too excited over previews and just can't wait I figured it was rooted in immediate gratification somehow. Speaking of early access, that's what is happening with that Record of Lodoss War game, and that looks fantastic already. Oh...
Well this game might look fantastic, but if it's just an Early Access release, I'll likely pass for now. I'd be willing to shell out for the final product though. Preferably through GOG.
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Post by Xeogred on Mar 9, 2020 18:50:34 GMT -5
I'm kind of with Ex. I've been excited for WRATH: Aeon of Ruin for ages now and it's been in earth access... whenever I see that big blue emblem label plastered on a store page, I just shrug and continue to wait until the game is actually finished. I can't think of any early access thing I've ever participated in. I guess you could say Black Mesa counts a little and I've played through 2-3 builds over the last decade, but this was a free fan game initially and came out way before this was even a thing. It had a different allure to it I guess. Nowadays most early access games tend to be MMO's or "Living Games" as people call them and I have negative levels of interest in those genres, but yeah now even single player stuff launches like this.
I still like a good beta or demo but again, those are free... so yeah. I wonder what's up with this new trend, it's almost like some developers require more money upfront and immediately otherwise the game literally can't be finished? I don't know.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 9, 2020 19:26:34 GMT -5
Oh, I don't disagree with y'all. I don't buy games early access either, but I have had access via keys in bundles I've purchased. And like Ex, I'd love for Lodoss to show up on GOG... but I have my doubts, given that it's Team Ladybug. I don't think any of their other games have hit anything other than Steam on the PC side. I'll swallow my pride for it when it gets full release.
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Post by Ex on Mar 9, 2020 20:41:19 GMT -5
yeah now even single player stuff launches like this I'm not keen on another trend I see lately concerning modern gaming. I'm talking about how purchasing the physical game is kind of a joke. Meaning the disc you get with the new game you bought, is just a glorified installer. Afterwards the rest of the game downloads to your console's hard drive. After that, a huge patch downloads and installs as well. There will likely be more patches downloaded as the game's development continues during its release period. So effectively that game disc you've just bought is in no way a comprehensive offline archive of the game itself. This issue can be mitigated occasionally, when you can purchase the Ultimate Collector's Edition of a game, which sometimes includes the final polished product on one disc. This is more the exception than the norm for modern releases in the past few years. And only applies to super popular games anyway.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 9, 2020 21:18:53 GMT -5
Basically, PC gaming and console gaming have converged. Disc-based media mostly died a long time ago on PC, and I will rue the day that happens on console, even if they are just glorified installers.
(That being said, for practical reasons, I understand why they do it. Way too much data flying around to just load it off disc. But the lack of completeness is something that weighs on my mind. Look at Bloodstained, for instance. The Switch cart, in its original form, just misses being a dumpster fire from a technical level. Patches improved it a lot, but what happens when the servers go down? My console dies? We won't have much choice but to hack our systems just to preserve these things.)
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Post by Xeogred on Mar 9, 2020 21:21:50 GMT -5
That is indeed a major concerning issue that's been around most of this generation. I think I've even changed my tune previously in this thread or on the board, but it's why I almost entertain the thought of buying more digital games on consoles next gen. Because really, what's the point otherwise? You've got a paperweight key-disc in a fragile eco case that has no manual. I always see myself favoring physical but this gen and the near future has definitely made me challenge those thoughts. And while I haven't replayed many games this generation, a big reason might be because you HAVE to install every game nowadays as well. And most modern games are 50GB+ a pop and that'll fill your console HDD's up fast, so you end up having to manage space, delete things off and on, then go through the pain of reinstalling your game, patching it again because that paperweight you have is outdated. Imagine wanting to replay something this generation and if you find yourself in a spot without internet for some reason, you'll have to play some old outdated version.
Remember when you just put the damn game in and were playing in seconds? Frick!
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Post by Ex on Mar 9, 2020 21:23:00 GMT -5
The preservation aspect is exactly what bothers me about it first and foremost.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 9, 2020 21:32:59 GMT -5
For those of us with iffy Internet, it's obnoxious to have to take my console to work to grab patches. Yes, I miss the days where I could just fire it up and play.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 14:39:34 GMT -5
None of this really bothers me much, because modern games can go screw themselves. I'd be happy to sell my Steam account in a heartbeat if I were allowed to, and if I suddenly lost all access to it, well, I definitely had a good run with the games. But I always have my 8/16/32 bit stuff to keep me company for years. It's why I haven't bought a new game on Steam since 2016, and that one game I put in countless hours on. So I'm set there.
I know you guys are modern gamers, so I feel for your pain, but I do count myself lucky to be above the shitstorm here.
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