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Post by Ex on Jun 7, 2020 16:46:46 GMT -5
I'm starting this thread off with this: You're way off on the Switch, especially if some of the rumors this year are true. It's already mega stacked with exclusives. I'm not saying you're wrong Xeogred, but I'd like to see your cumulative list of Switch exclusives. Games that only appear on the Switch, period. And I don't mean enhanced ports either, straight up "only exists on the Switch". Edit: To a greater extent, this thread can just be about Switch discussion in general.
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Post by Xeogred on Jun 7, 2020 17:15:50 GMT -5
As of June 2020:
Animal Crossing: New Horizons
Arms
Astral Chain Fire Emblem: Three Houses
Kirby Star Allies
Luigi's Mansion 3 Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle
Splatoon 2 Super Smash Bros Ultimate Super Mario Maker 2
Super Mario Odyssey The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna – The Golden Country Yoshi's Crafted World
More Mario, Pokemon stuff for sure, but yeah maybe those aren't saying much. Some other misc stuff, like Collection of Mana. To be fair it's the only official localized version of SD3 that's out there. This collection isn't on Steam or anywhere else I don't think. Might be some other cases like this.
In the works:
- Bayonetta 3
- Bravely Default II
- Breath of the Wild 2 - Deadly Premonition 2
- Metroid Prime 4 - No More Heroes III - Paper Mario: The Origami King
- Shin Megami Tensei V
- Rumored 3D Mario collection/remasters? I think a remaster/remake of 64 at least would be entry worthy here.
For a 3 year old system, that's not bad. Now I'm not saying I like all this stuff and I'll admit I'm trying to see a bit more of the long game here, but I think the Switch will be really stacked and something I actively keep around for awhile. I was a Wii U defender because it had a few good Nintendo exclusives, but is rather pitiful beyond that. When you add in the ports and digital offerings of the Switch, it's probably like 5x the library at least or something crazy. I wish we could get those two Zelda HD remasters and 3D World on the Switch. Then my Wii U is pretty much irrelevant.
I think Sarge's response in the other thread reminded me, I don't think Ex favors Nintendo's first party games much. So I can see how one might be disinterested in the Switch from afar. I know Ex likes the Wii way more than me, but I guess it has all those underwater games and a bunch of other non-Nintendo exclusives. I don't even care for the portability factor personally but I know that wins some people over, for indies and ports. Wait, I thought you loved portables Ex ?
For me personally there's a lot of franchises I'd like to jump back into with the Switch installments, or hit up for the first time. Zelda and Metroid are always my #1 priority when it comes to Nintendo and the titles I will buy a console for without question. Then Mario, and it kind of descends from there. But yeah, stuff like Fire Emblem: Three Houses, Luigi's Mansion 3, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, Paper Mario: The Origami King, interests me a lot now. Even if I don't follow these series step by step. I don't care for Animal Crossing, Arms, or Splatoon 2 at all. I think the ship has sailed on Super Mario Maker too.
For upcoming titles, I'm stoked for Bayonetta 3, Breath of the Wild 2, Metroid Prime 4, and very curious about Shin Megami Tensei V.
Still insane to me that Deadly Premonition 2 is even a thing.
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Post by Sarge on Jun 7, 2020 18:34:42 GMT -5
I think Ex just doesn't care for a lot of Nintendo's modern output. Their Wii stuff for the most part was glorious. I also enjoyed their Wii U stuff. If there was a generation where I think Nintendo really made missteps for their first-party output, it was the Gamecube. Definitely looking forward to that Paper Mario game, though. Next month! I'm also convinced that Metroid Prime 4 won't make this iteration of the Switch; it seems like they've had a whole lot of issues to this point. Who knows, though, maybe they surprise us all and announced it's practically ready like they did with the Paper Mario game. The two games that I believe justified my Switch purchase were Breath of the Wild (also on Wii U) and Super Mario Odyssey (fantastic callback to SM64). I also really want Luigi's Mansion 3 to finally drop slightly in price... As a portable system, I like the large screen, but in practice, it's not quite as comfortable to hold as I'd like. I mostly play docked, which isn't quite what I expected going in; I figured I'd be swapping pretty constantly.
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Post by Xeogred on Jun 7, 2020 19:27:52 GMT -5
Their Wii stuff for the most part was glorious. That's a rather strong way to put it... what am I missing out on?
Super Mario Galaxy 1-2 Twilight Princess & Skyward Sword Metroid Prime 3 Metroid Other M
Xenoblade Donkey Kong Country Returns
I liked those.
I have Muramasa, Sin & Punishment Star Successor, and Pandora's Tower on deck. I kind of plan to retire my Wii/U after those though honestly.
It's funny how the Wii U version of Breath of the Wild apparently has much faster loading times. That's what I played it on and didn't have any issues with that version. I'll probably get the Switch release eventually for an excuse to replay it, heh.
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Post by Sarge on Jun 7, 2020 19:55:51 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that Super Mario Galaxy is a 10/10 game, and think the same of the Zelda entries, although I favor Twilight Princess more. MP3 was amazing (plus the Trilogy package), Other M was way better than folks gave it credit for, and while I'm not as wild about Xenoblade as some, I still really enjoyed it. I didn't care for DKCR, though.
For the rest of the stuff, Wario Land: Shake It! was a lot of fun. New SMB Wii is easily my favorite of that series, and truly excellent. Kirby: Return to Dreamland was solid, Kirby's Epic Yarn is way underrated on challenge if you go for 100%, a great Punch-Out!! revival, Super Paper Mario, Smash Bros. Brawl, and Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. I need to get back to Star Successor, it's definitely rail shooting done right. I mean, just those make for some awfully stout output, and that's not even mentioning those (apparently excellent) Endless Ocean games, or if you happen to like Animal Crossing, or the Nintendo sports games.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, I like a lot of Nintendo's Gamecube stuff, just not Mario Sunshine (good, but not the quality I'd expect) and Wind Waker (great, but also not quite up to standards). Metroid Prime was a dang revelation, and one I wasn't expecting from Retro Studios.
EDIT: Oh, right, while they don't get credit for it in the US, they do get it for The Last Story in the UK and Japan.
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Post by Ex on Jun 7, 2020 21:16:49 GMT -5
Xeogred
Animal Crossing: New Horizons
Arms
Astral Chain Fire Emblem: Three Houses*
Kirby Star Allies
Luigi's Mansion 3 Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle
Splatoon 2 Super Smash Bros Ultimate Super Mario Maker 2
Super Mario Odyssey* The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening
Xenoblade Chronicles 2* Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna – The Golden Country* Yoshi's Crafted World*
Well that's 15 first party exclusives in the three years of Switch existence thus far. An average of 5 exclusives per year. Not really feeling like this is a system full of strong exclusives with that kind of production.
*These are the only ones I'd be interested in trying honestly.
I still enjoy Mario whenever I get around to playing a Mario game. Pokemon not so much...
I think you're right that SD3 officially localized exists only on Switch. But the game itself is still a port from the SFC original, it's not an exclusive.
On a side note, the SD3 remake is on Steam: In the works:- Bayonetta 3
- Bravely Default II
- Breath of the Wild 2 - Deadly Premonition 2
- Metroid Prime 4 - No More Heroes III - Paper Mario: The Origami King
- Shin Megami Tensei V Of those, I think DP2 and NMH3 are the ones that are apt to get ported to PC eventually. The rest will likely stay exclusive to Nintendo consoles. Notice I said consoles and not "Switch". Modern Nintendo has no qualms porting their older games to newer systems.
Nintendo absolutely gutted the Wii U's exclusive titles, as many of them were ported to Switch. Nintendo basically pissed on its grave.
I'm certainly not as fond of Nintendo's modern first party stuff as Sarge and you are. I get pretty tired of how shamelessly Nintendo recycles their franchises with relatively little creativity. I'm not just talking about Mario or Zelda (those get the most creativity actually). Kirby, Smash Bros., Animal Crossing, Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi RPG, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, and many other Nintendo franchises are extremely cookie cutter, and have been for years and years now. I'm not saying that these releases aren't quality games insofar as their production. I'm just saying that non-innovative rote repetition doesn't do much to excite me. Honestly guys, I'm not much of a fan of modern Nintendo in general, the company I mean. It's a lot to get into, and I'm too tired for that conversation right now. I'll just say the Nintendo of today is not the same Nintendo of the Wii era, and the Nintendo of the Wii era was not the same Nintendo of the SNES era. This company has considerably changed over the years more than once.
I did and do adore the Endless Ocean games, and a great many of the Wii games I loved were not produced by Nintendo. That was from a time when Nintendo had a lot of third parties producing exclusives for their console.
I do love portables, and if/when I ever buy a Switch, it will be via the purely portable version. Although I'd rather do that after they fix the joycon problem. Hard to want to buy a portable with time-bomb joysticks.
This is the one Switch title I'm most interested in seeing how it pans out. But it will likely be a twilight release for the system. A final hurrah, which will likely come as a cross-platform dual release. As in the Switch and its successor will both receive the game. Like how we got with the Wii U and Switch both getting BotW. I find it hard to get excited about Atlus releases anymore. They've been on a safe 'n sterile downward spiral since SEGA bought the company.
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Post by Xeogred on Jun 7, 2020 23:23:54 GMT -5
At this point I'm just honestly puzzled by the fact that you like Dragon Quest. Now that I've played several it would be selling the series short to say they don't evolve or experiment with the mechanics and systems per game, but it's still a rather formulaic series at its core. Something you seem to hate with long running series and company trends. You seem to write off a lot of series too, which is fine if you just straight up have no interest in them. But like Sarge is propping up the Wii era here... stuff like Fire Emblem or Luigi's Mansion, etc, I don't have prior super strong attachments to, so I don't mind at all skipping huge gaps in those franchises to check out the new releases. To which if I do end up liking them a lot, that certainly encourages me to go back again and check out other games I missed. Definitely a big part of being a fan of older games. Guess I'll just take a moment to remind myself where I am, so of course I'm in the minority that has some optimism in modern games. I don't care about the Gamecube or Wii much at all, the U had a few major standouts but is otherwise the definition of a thin library. But I think the Switch will have a strong long life for me. Chalk that up to being neutral on Nintendo in recent years I guess, now I'm a little more excited for the Switch in ways. And beyond that I think this gen in general beats the last easily for me. I get the vibe some here like the 7th gen more than me. I don't really care to focus on it much at all. Any remnants of things I liked in the 7th gen, are probably available in better form in the current gen.
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Post by Ex on Jun 8, 2020 0:31:52 GMT -5
At this point I'm just honestly puzzled by the fact that you like Dragon Quest. Dragon Quest is definitely formulaic. It's also the equivalent of 100% perfect JRPG comfort food. The best formulated JRPG comfort food I've tasted anyway. That said, it's been four years since I last beat a DQ (via DQ9). DQ is not a series I can just play back to back, because each game is so similar to the last. Really I'm overdue by now to beat another entry. I do value creative innovation over refined repetition, in general. Well after playing video games for 37 years at this point, I've got a pretty solid idea of what I do and do not like. Meanwhile I think you write off entire genres rather flippantly, but I don't hold that against you. We've all got our unique tastes in gaming, and that diversity helps to keep HRG interesting. If this place was a homogeneous echo-chamber it'd be pointless. Honestly man it's not that I don't have optimism for any upcoming modern games. It's more that I'm so busy with trying to play my existing library, which stretches back decades into past generations, that keeping up/purchasing brand new releases is a bit superfluous. I still plan to get that PS4, but after that I don't know. Diminishing returns. I'm personally a big fan of the 7th gen. I've had a lot of fun with 7th gen games, and there's a whole helluva lot of them sitting as-yet-unplayed in my library. I'm not sure who else on HRG still plays and cares about the 7th gen though? Anyway Xeogred, I think you got a vibe from me insinuating I think the Switch sucks. I do not think the Switch sucks. I understand why folks like it. It's basically the Vita 2.0, except this time supported by a publisher that actually knows what they are doing.
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Post by Sarge on Jun 8, 2020 0:39:18 GMT -5
Vita 2.0 is an apt description, with Nintendo support. Yeah, that definitely sounds great.
I like a ton of 7th gen games. But I do think they're in that no-man's-land that occurs when successor systems come out, and they get forgotten for a while. I did that with sixth gen, and really have just now been trying to get back into some games I missed.
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Post by Chema on Jun 8, 2020 5:51:14 GMT -5
I love the Switch as a hardware. It's the Vita but done right.
I think the biggest issue is that the big publishers are no longer interested in AA games or handheld experiences. It's AAA or mobile mostly. It makes me sad to think that the days of the DS and PSP may never come back...
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