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Post by paulofthewest on Aug 19, 2020 18:44:42 GMT -5
Ha, the video had both Macho and Kamacho. Now if only Kamacho was President and not mayor... Whenever I dig more into 2 though, I'm not sure I'd like it as much because it sounds like they went super hard on the crafting, alchemy, etc, like you can level up any item and a bunch of other weird systems. Similar to Disgaea. Just TOO MUCH going on from the things I hear, but I haven't played it myself so who knows. Not directed at you so much, but I do like lots of systems to play around with and find my way of building characters/armies/whatever -- as long as they aren't ALL required. I'm not a completest, so I've never had the desire to get everything. I do love the freedom of systems, which is why Disgeae is so much fun. This is opposed to the Elder Scrolls games which gets monotonous collecting everything...
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Post by Xeogred on Aug 20, 2020 12:59:05 GMT -5
Ha, the video had both Macho and Kamacho. Now if only Kamacho was President and not mayor... Whenever I dig more into 2 though, I'm not sure I'd like it as much because it sounds like they went super hard on the crafting, alchemy, etc, like you can level up any item and a bunch of other weird systems. Similar to Disgaea. Just TOO MUCH going on from the things I hear, but I haven't played it myself so who knows. Not directed at you so much, but I do like lots of systems to play around with and find my way of building characters/armies/whatever -- as long as they aren't ALL required. I'm not a completest, so I've never had the desire to get everything. I do love the freedom of systems, which is why Disgeae is so much fun. This is opposed to the Elder Scrolls games which gets monotonous collecting everything... For me I struggle to turn that "switch" off, still even with modern open world games and all. I want my character to get powerful and collect good gear along the way, when it's often not necessary to get through these kind of games. I'm not the hardcore completionist that I was back in the 16/32bit days when I devoured JRPG's, but yeah it's still hard for me to blatantly ignore side quests and such in games and just brute force the main story.
I got far into Disgaea 2, but then I started getting too side tracked by the item world stuff and never finished it probably because of that. lol
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Post by toei on Aug 20, 2020 15:05:06 GMT -5
Xeogred Being a completionist in the 16-bit days (and for probably 99% of 32-bit games) usually just meant doing a handful of side-quests. Hell, it was still common for RPGs not to even have side-quests, and when they did, they were typically the good kind, since MMO-style objectives (ie go kill 10 slime, bring back 5 herbs) didn't exist. Besides, the main games were a lot shorter, so it made sense to want to get all the content possible. Now the main games are often far too long, and there are 5 million side things to do, most of which feel like they don't matter.
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Post by Xeogred on Aug 20, 2020 15:26:11 GMT -5
Yeah, though my original PSX FF saves were beefy. Of course that's also being younger, not using guides or the net, etc too, along with wanting to do everything.
Final Fantasy VII PlayStation 78h 16m Final Fantasy VIII PlayStation 72h 43m Final Fantasy IX PlayStation 84h 39m (I remember not even hitting 99 for anyone in this one too)
But yeah most other PSX RPG's topped out at like 40-50 for me or less, like Chrono Cross which was always a quick romp compared to others.
It's still fun for me to fully explore games if I'm really loving them and they're more of the linear, or lightly non-linear types. Traditional JRPG's, Zelda/Souls-likes, Metroidvania's, or stuff like STALKER which has big maps but still isn't aimlessly open world.
But yeah like paul said, the Elder Scrolls types are often just a bunch of fluff. And now when my maps and menu's get cluttered with crap, I get annoyed. Thus why I only play like one modern open world game a year now, if even... Death Stranding last year and Ghost of Tsushima this year. And I love both, but I couldn't play this stuff all the time.
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Post by paulofthewest on Aug 20, 2020 18:34:45 GMT -5
I think Disgaea 2 is the weakest of the series. Mainly because it was the most monotonous and the PS2 still had annoying load times with that game. The later ones did clean things up by adding more systems to explore--if you wish. They also allowed you to turn off certain battle animations, which speed up certain parts. I'm not trying to sell you back, the other ones still require a deep dive into the grind at certain parts (the first one was also pretty bad about it.) Although, a large part of Disgaea is figuring out how to "skip the grind." toei / Xeogred Completely agree.
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