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Post by Xeogred on Sept 12, 2020 15:27:09 GMT -5
The longer grips sometimes helps. Funny enough though, for me it's the PS4 controller that seems to get me cramped up after some long sessions. I think because it's smaller to my hands, I've never had issues with the Dualshock 1-3 design. I'd say between those, the PS2 one is my favorite. It has extra weight and while R2/L2 aren't really like the PS3's trigger style, they don't feel flimsy like the PS3's. All in all, the Dualshock feels like an evolution of the SNES controller to me. Perfection... but I prefer Xbox for FPS's still, unaligned joysticks. The 8Bitdo Sn30+ is super legit though. I'd say it feels better than the PS4 controller and has longer grips than the PS1-PS3. Maybe you'd like it Paul, if you ever need something for emulation/retro/modern gaming needs:
I did notice something was off with it in snes9x though. It seemed like "Up" would stick and not let me move forward naturally in games, like diagonal presses weren't registering right. Maybe Sarge has a hunch? Since I think it was software and not really hardware. I know controllers can be finicky with some programs and not configure correctly. So I busted out my Buffalo SNES pad for my current Run n' Gun gaming and yeah, no issues with the directional inputs there. The Sn30+ was perfect for The Messenger though and when I was messing with some PCE emulation. snes9x didn't detect the joysticks at all either. So maybe it just doesn't play nicely with that emulator.
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Post by Sarge on Sept 12, 2020 16:22:46 GMT -5
You probably need to map the diagonals as well. I've seen that in SNES9x, very strange they implemented it that way.
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Post by Xeogred on Sept 12, 2020 16:58:47 GMT -5
You probably need to map the diagonals as well. I've seen that in SNES9x, very strange they implemented it that way. Wow I think you're right. Those four inputs are disabled so I'll have to try that. Very weird.
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Post by Ex on Sept 12, 2020 20:48:02 GMT -5
I did see some SNES to PS2 converters, but then I lose the rumble feature. You can't stand the PS1-3 controllers, but you enjoy rumble. I love the PS1-3 controllers, but I can't stand (always disable) rumble. We've all got different tastes. As far as making the grip thicker, there's always aftermarket silicone grips to be added to any controller. For the purposes of padding out the thickness of the grip I mean. For example on the PS4: www.amazon.com/Controller-DualShock-Anti-Slip-Protector-playstation-4/dp/B06XQJPSZ2/It may be possible to find a grip made for the PS1 controllers still. Or maybe modify a PS3/4 grip to fit it or something.
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Post by Sarge on Sept 12, 2020 20:53:35 GMT -5
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Post by EasyHard on Sept 13, 2020 0:29:19 GMT -5
My first exposure to the Playstation was going over to a friend's house to watch him play FF7. I remember we played through the opening hour or so together, which felt awesome. Even without knowing any of the marketing or any word of mouth, I was filling in the rest of the experience as being a whole new level above FF6 and RPGs that came before it. Obviously, I think this has a lot to do with having cool character+world designs, paired with the overall newness of the technology. This was also the era where it was fun to show your friends single moments from a game, and he specifically wanted to show me the opening FMV sequences in Resident Evil (2 or 3, I can't remember). Just a few experiences like that was actually probably all the PS1 I saw during the era! I specifically remember one game magazine (perhaps EGM) at that friend's house which showed Metal Gear Solid. Even with just this limited sample of PS1 games, it was easy for me to understand these games as having an adult coolness that wasn't present in many other places in gaming. I'm pretty sure that EGM magazine had insert art pictures of Meryl in a black tanktop and Snake with an automatic rifle. Funny what a teenage mind will remember. Despite Playstation's strong appeal to me being so immediate and obvious, I don't recall feeling like I was longing to get one. I had an N64, a PC, and I still enjoyed playing my SNES, Genesis, and NES (and I guess I never stopped really). I feel like I just paid so less attention back then to what was new that in order for a true "desire" for the PS1 to manifest it would have required more years of seeing the game boxes at Blockbuster or from other friends. The first PS1 game I played myself was Final Fantasy 8, via the contemporaneous PC port. Favorite games: Ghost in the Shell, Final Fantasy 8, Final Fantasy 7 (still need to finish, ha!), Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Resident Evil 1+2 Since I wasn't playing PS1 games during the era, there's still a lot of games I want to try out on the system. Well known ones like Valkryie Profile, Suikoden 1+2, Tenchu, Arc The Lad, and Metal Gear Solid. Even just random shmups and racing games (I've got tons of lists) might be fun to mess around with. There's also many highly regarded games that I think have passed me by in the sense that I won't enjoy them enough going in fresh without also being my younger self.
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Post by Ex on Sept 13, 2020 1:03:33 GMT -5
it was easy for me to understand these games as having an adult coolness that wasn't present in many other places in gaming I too keenly remember that sense of "this is the platform for adults to game on". In retrospect it's obvious that Sony wisely cultivated that zeitgeist. I have beaten all of those except FF8. (I keep meaning to play FF8, and I keep forgetting about it.) I agree that GitS is a really good game. I remember renting it from a Blockbuster and beating it over a weekend. I still recall its final stage was quite tough indeed! Though PS1 GitS should have been called Ghost in the Tachikoma. By the way, if you are a GitS fan, I highly recommend this release: As a mega GitS fan, I super enjoyed it anyway... Of that list, I've beaten all of them except Suikoden II. I think that whole quoted list is well worth playing. I have some game design issues with VP, and Tenchu's final boss is bullshit, but even so both are still quality gaming. I worry about that sometimes too, but in general I find myself surprised with 5th gen stuff. For example, I didn't get around to playing Final Fantasy Tactics until 2014. I expected FFT's sell by date to be long passed... but it ended up being awesome, and I loved beating it. So my point is, I think a lot of the PS1's games have aged better than one might expect. If one can get passed the caveman 3D graphics. Plus there's so many different ways to play PS1 games these days, it's just super convenient to do so. I am always up for vicariously replaying games via folk's fresh takes.
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Post by EasyHard on Sept 13, 2020 1:51:31 GMT -5
Ex : Yeah, I'm a mega GITS fan and Ghost in the Shell: SAC on the PS2 is awesome. I would have been primed to enjoy it regardless, but I like how it has unique jumping/acrobatics, and an unnecessary but still very much appreciated melee + slow mo system. These oddball mechanics let you add some personal style to how you complete certain sections. I actually get a weird kick out of replaying it and upping the difficulty on back-to-back playthroughs. It's weird how it is a humble licensed game with a very "standard exterior" but then you beat it and it has an absurdly number of unlockable difficulty levels for no apparent reason. I feel like it almost becomes a parody of itself, but in a fun way. A spot in a level might have 2 guards with standard guns on normal but on one of the crazier difficulties it is 5 guards with rocket launchers and two parked hum-vees with .50 calibers or something. I am always up for vicariously replaying games via folk's fresh takes. Good to know. I don't worry about the big games that have passed me by, since I'm not experiencing it necessarily as the games "aging badly" and more that I have more options now, and you can't be excited about everything. I have of course tried a bunch of them and have plans to try more. Sometimes it is my tastes have moved on though. This subject happens to be an unmistakable thought I have about the Playstation library (and PS2) since I would later spend so many years engaged in online communities while not having played many well known games that people loved and recommended. It's funny to think how I have a vast knowledge of many games just from reading what other people say and watching videos. When I finally played FF7 for the first time I had an interesting moment when I met Red XIII. It struck me that every *other* playable character in FF7 was someone I was automatically familiar with in the sense that I knew their name and could recognize their picture. I just absorbed all that from gaming culture without really seeking it out. Poor Red doesn't get much character discussion or fan art I guess
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Post by Xeogred on Sept 13, 2020 3:16:01 GMT -5
It's hard to be in the shadow of Cloud, Tifa, Barret, and Aerith, heh. Poor Red even got the shaft a bit in the first remake (wasn't playable, but he's around in the end). You mentioned Valkryie Profile specifically, that's one I was hoping to get to sometime this year. With how crazy 2020 has been though I don't know if I'll get to it now, since I was kind of wanting to play FF12 next for a bigger game.
But yeah Valkryie Profile seems to be one of the last highly regarded JRPG's I need to play personally. Worth noting though, everyone here has warned me that it's a very guide heavy game, to see a LOT of missable content, the true ending, all that jazz. So that maybe pushes it back in my mind sometime when I'm thinking of what to play next. I don't really like using guides step by step, so I have to be in the mood for that.
I'm excited that it looks pretty unique even compared to everything I've played on the system, should be a fresh experience. Maybe you and I will get to it within a year or so? Heh.
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Post by Ex on Sept 13, 2020 9:29:59 GMT -5
Ghost in the Shell: SAC on the PS2 is awesome. It's comforting to finally see someone else agree. Usually when I bring up GitS:SAC for PS2, the census is "I've never played that" or "Looks like a crappy licensed game". Cavia Inc. developed it, and sometimes Cavia really knew what they were doing. I understand. Personally I find it hard to be excited about the majority of games which emerged in the 8th generation. I find it particularly hard to be excited about modern Nintendo. I'm not super excited about how digital-centric the next generation is going to be. But I'm still excited (or interested rather) in playing 5th/6th gen console JRPGs I missed in their day... such as FF8. I can understand that as well. As I get older I notice my tastes in some genres wane while my interest in other genres grows. For example, when I was an angry young man in my late teens and early twenties, I was absolutely rabid for FPS games. Nowadays I can still enjoy an FPS, but only a few times a year at most. However, I find myself more interested in SRPGs now than I was say twenty years ago. With JRPGs, I can relate with how it becomes harder to find titles which are worth your precious adult free time. Though, I'm likely more open towards the genre than some on HRG, as I missed playing so many JRPGs from the 5th/6th gen. I was too busy doing other things during those years. Ironically(?) life in my 40s is more conducive to playing JRPGs than life was in my 20s. It's true, that character is diminished in cultural memory. Although I did beat FF7, it took me a moment to remember the character you're talking about. Not a memorable party member apparently. While I've lamented multiple times about VP's game design, insofar as one needing a guide to not miss 25% of its content (and true ending), I'd hate for that lamentation to dissuade anyone from playing it. VP is honestly a very above average and unique JRPG experience. While I'm no apologist for its foibles as some around here are, VP is still a very strong 8/10 in my book. Its OST alone makes the game worth playing.
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