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Post by paulofthewest on Jul 20, 2021 14:02:35 GMT -5
I don't know of any system that has the potential massive launch library that Steam Deck has/will have.
After reading that article, Valve definitely did their homework on finding the sweet spot for the $399 price point. Although, the dock being separate is suspicious. Hopefully it won't be expensive.
Also the fact they are going Linux + Wine just brings a giant smile to my face. Finally after 28 years, Wine will officially be on a big name console.
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Post by Sarge on Jul 20, 2021 15:04:00 GMT -5
At least it will apparently work with other USB-C hubs as well, so if you already have one you should be set.
As far as power, the numbers I've seen thrown around are somewhere between XB1 and PS4. Pretty great for a portable system, if you ask me. And yes, that launch library is going to be ridiculous. Especially if you, uh, have a Steam library as large as I've got... and that's not factoring in other storefronts like GOG as well.
Regarding the power differential, though, between this and Switch... I mean, we all know a new Switch is coming. And it's going to be beefy. Will it be this beefy? Don't know. Probably not, but it also depends on when they actually put it out. But Nintendo does have some advantages in that they have a really, really large market that is willing to tailor their games for the hardware, and the OS is incredibly light, so getting at the power of the system isn't as hard as it might be for folks that stray off the Linux path and install Windows on this.
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Post by Ex on Jul 20, 2021 15:13:45 GMT -5
The instant massive launch library is the "killer app" of the Deck, no doubt about it. The more I learn about this "handheld", the more I become sure I will eventually buy one (or two). Not so much for the Steam games, but for the ability to run Windows console emulators and whatever Windows games I want on it. paulofthewestWine has come a lonnnggg way, it's a considerably powerful wrapper/interpreter nowadays.
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Post by Xeogred on Jul 20, 2021 15:44:56 GMT -5
Regarding the power differential, though, between this and Switch... I mean, we all know a new Switch is coming. And it's going to be beefy. Will it be this beefy? Don't know. Probably not, but it also depends on when they actually put it out. But Nintendo does have some advantages in that they have a really, really large market that is willing to tailor their games for the hardware, and the OS is incredibly light, so getting at the power of the system isn't as hard as it might be for folks that stray off the Linux path and install Windows on this.
Saw a bunch of articles like that the other day.
Unless you mean an actual Switch 2 follow up, I think we agreed that would be more ideal than going the half "Pro" step. Anyways, I remain neutral on the elusive "Switch Pro", because Nintendo loved to release a bunch of variations of their handhelds. They could just be talking PR now to make sure no sales get stripped away from this OLED model. A Pro down the road wouldn't surprise me but I'd much rather get the next actual follow up platform that's a bigger deal.
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Post by Sarge on Jul 20, 2021 16:00:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean Switch 2, not Pro. Switch 2 is going to be a relative beast, I'm sure. Might even match this system in the end by the time it actually comes out (figure it's a year or two down the road if there's a Pro model somewhere in there).
I still have to wonder if this OLED model was part of a larger plan that got derailed by the pandemic. Could be a parts issue they ran into but having all that stock of OLEDs around wasn't ideal, either.
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Post by Xeogred on Jul 20, 2021 16:11:04 GMT -5
AND I hope the inevitable Switch 2 gives the Switch library a huge resolution/framerate boost. Crossing my fingers... There's also the possibility that streaming tech will keep improving too and so the inner hardware might not matter as much? Stuff like Control, RE7, etc can be streamed on the Switch, with Japan having some additional options. ... that's just purely "interesting" to me though. I don't ever plan on streaming games and leasing my money out. At least with Steam I'm downloading data so, there's barely some fragments of ownership...
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Post by Ex on Jul 20, 2021 16:18:51 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to emulating Switch games on my future Deck.
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Post by Xeogred on Jul 20, 2021 16:21:56 GMT -5
Everyone's got a price...
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Post by Sarge on Jul 20, 2021 16:38:22 GMT -5
Hopefully it will be beefy enough to do Switch emulation effectively, 'cause it would definitely be a nice bonus.
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Post by paulofthewest on Jul 21, 2021 9:43:55 GMT -5
I know it appears that the entire PC library will be on this thing, but it runs Linux and has fewer buttons than the keyboard + mouse. The only article I've found so far is www.mcvuk.com/development-news/will-developers-need-to-support-steam-deck-and-will-their-sales-benefit/ which mentions that it is running Steam OS 3 (Arch Linux) and you can either manually port your game or use a dev kit (Proton?) to get things working. The ease of porting code depends on many things. I agree having Wine + some Valve dev tools extremely helpful, but I'd like to see a launch list. Maybe this is just my inherit skepticism coming out. That all said, I want one =) As for Wine, the time and love given to Wine is undeniable. Even as the early 2000s I ran Counter Strike on Wine. For my machine at the time it had a better frame rate on Linux+Wine than Windows (with the same graphics settings.)
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