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Post by Ex on Oct 2, 2020 23:00:30 GMT -5
Basically, I have no issues with what they've done. Not unexpected, as you and I have differing opinions concerning the merit of modern Nintendo. But I won't disparage present Nintendo further. Not everything is for everyone. The Switch is not for me. |
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Post by Sarge on Oct 2, 2020 23:11:40 GMT -5
Yep, all good. Honestly, it's more interesting to try to back up one's point of view, and I absolutely do understand where you're coming from - it stings a little when they come out with a port that has some extra content in it, and I don't want to double-dip...
Speaking of double-dipping, though, Dragon Quest XI S is coming to PS4/XB1/PC. And it will be $40. Unfortunately, no free upgrade. Buuuuut... I will probably pick up this release of it, especially since it's not the $60 of the Switch version, and also will have that 60 FPS smoothness going on.
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Post by Xeogred on Oct 3, 2020 2:42:45 GMT -5
I just forget why Ex loves the PSP/Vita and hates the Switch? I agree with earlier thoughts on the WiiU probably becoming a hard to find collectors item. Perhaps the entire library and peripherals too. I've heard gamepads are already hard to get. I liked the WiiU with its dozen or so good exclusives, but yeah. Now I don't know if this is giving the Switch a weird pass so far, but I like that they're porting basically everything over to it. Nintendo are lucky to be in a position to kind of get a do over... the WiiU was a failed experiment and the Switch has been a great replacement. I think I'll have my Switch out for years to come, so I don't feel bad about stockpiling games for it along the way. Whereas that hasn't been the case with Nintendo and I in several generations now. I would usually get like a dozen or so of their standout titles and then never really touch the system again. The Switch probably won't be even rivaling my SNES library of 60+ games, but I think it'll be the deepest Nintendo console library I build up in a very long time. This is probably disgusting to admit, but I almost hope they kind of a take the phone approach with the next Switch/upgrades. I want this entire library to move forward and be backward compatible. Otherwise I'll be eating some of my words here. I absolutely hate how fragmented the DS, 3DS, Wii, and Wii U libraries were, even across the digital space and Nintendo's horrible online stores/services. The "Switch" brand better be one singular platform going forward. |
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Post by anayo on Oct 3, 2020 9:19:22 GMT -5
In the past, sure, I would have blamed Nintendo for cutting the legs out from under the Wii U, punishing the hardcore fans who bothered to support the platform. Sucking the luster and financial value away from what had been an exclusive library, held dear and admired by its limited but loyal fanbase. Yamauchi or Iwata's Nintendo would have understood the dishonor of doing as such via the immediately successive generation, how that act penalizes the previous troubled generation's supporters.
But... based on its present company culture, I don't blame modern Nintendo. I'm keen enough to realize that present day Nintendo, is not the same Nintendo that existed in the Wii U's era, let alone the same Nintendo I loved in my childhood. Today's Nintendo is a gilded opportunist. So given what Nintendo is today, nah I don't blame them. Suck it all dry, Furukawa. I don't think you're giving Nintendo the credit they deserve for their restraint so far. You don't have to look far in the investing world to hear talk of shareholders wishing Nintendo would go full steam ahead with modern practices such as microtransactions, casual mobile gaming, and things of that nature. The fact that Nintendo has insisted on staying vertically integrated by keeping their IPs on their hardware is quite curious in this day and age. The same can't even be said of Sony and Microsoft, what with exclusive AAA PS4 games getting PC ports and the concept of "X-Box" shifting into a hardware-agnostic subscription service. |
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Post by Ex on Oct 3, 2020 11:59:23 GMT -5
I just forget why Ex loves the PSP/Vita and hates the Switch? Surely not because the Switch is a copycat Vita buoyed by OMFG MARIO ZELDA and endless ports of has-been games that came from other platforms first. I don't think you're giving Nintendo the credit they deserve for their restraint so far. Nintendo's done mobile games with micro transactions already. Like years ago. - If you Sarge, Xeogred, anayo all love modern Nintendo and their Switch, hey that's cool. I don't want to turn this thread into "Ex VS modern Nintendo". I'd rather this thread be about what EasyHard originally created the thread for. |
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Post by Sarge on Oct 3, 2020 13:02:52 GMT -5
So, yeah, let's get this back on track. No sense hashing over modern Nintendo - I suspect Ex will eventually own a Switch, it'll just be several years from now.  One of the things that has really bothered me from this generation is the sheer amount of games that sport day-one patches. I think it's really going to affect games years from now, when the services to download updates will no longer be available. Almost no games are "complete" as shipped these days - a rare exception I found was Valkyria Chronicles 4 - so if you want the fully-updated experience and have lost those updates, you're plumb out of luck. Don't even get me started on the size of updates these days. It still boggles my mind how Sony won't let me download updates to a USB stick somewhere else and then install on my system at home. Lugging my setup to work is not ideal. |
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Post by Ex on Oct 3, 2020 20:56:56 GMT -5
I suspect Ex will eventually own a Switch, it'll just be several years from now. That's about how long it'll be before Prime 4 releases, so your math checks out.  Good observation. Even my PS3 and 360 games want to download patches, despite the fact that they have the full game on the disc. It bugs me that those patches will not be available someday... but at least the games are still fully on the disc and playable. Now extrapolate that irritation to what you are describing. The PS4/5 disc you buy doesn't really have the full game on the disc. It's got the root that requires an immediate (and massive) download, before the game is playable. That's... uh, let's just say that's incredibly anti-consumer, to put it nicely. And ultimately the next generation bothers me strongest on its blatant anti-consumerism bravado. That, and no regard for archiving releases in a format which can survive independently for decades. We have a retro gaming scene now, because it was possible to mothball and revive these games via independent ownership. In 2040, will you be able to play a 2021 PS5 game, if 85% of it was digitally distributed? Probably not. But the PC version of that game, perhaps. |
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Post by Sarge on Oct 3, 2020 21:14:07 GMT -5
Well, most of them are playable from only the disc... it's just rarely the optimal experience, because they'll typically go "gold" but still push out performance updates for day one. I mean, it's good that we have a method to update games, but man, it's such a tempting crutch to use for a developer.
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Post by Ex on Oct 3, 2020 21:33:08 GMT -5
it's such a tempting crutch to use for a developer Probably more the publisher, actually. Publisher: "Can the player finish the game from start to credits?"Developer: "Well yes but, it'll probably crash a lot, it runs at an inconsistent framerate, and there are random graphical glitches."Publisher: "Could you download patch all that later?"Developer: "I guess we could..."Publisher: "That shit's gold. Gimme the master." |
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Post by Sarge on Oct 3, 2020 21:51:10 GMT -5
That too. Of course, it has also spectacularly backfired in the case of some games (hello Anthem and Fallout 76).
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