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Post by toei on Mar 2, 2022 3:47:26 GMT -5
I took a little bit of interest in Sleeping Dogs when it came out because of the martial arts and Triads theme. The combat still feels a bit too Western for my tastes in terms of the feel. The impact of the hits, a certain stiffness in the animation - it doesn't quite have that visceral satisfaction that Yakuza does, for example. But it still seems miles ahead of the direct competition, without a doubt, and probably has more enjoyable mechanics. I probably could get into it. I'm not ruling it out.
It's true that GTA has some weird-ass controls. They'll waste buttons on some random action that only ever comes up once in a blue moon rather than make them context-specific. I wonder if that goes back to Rockstars' roots in the British microcomputer scene, where you controlled things with a keyboard. It runs opposite of the Japanese game design philosophy I grew up with, which is usually to simplify everything as much as you can without losing its essence.
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Post by Ex on Mar 2, 2022 9:32:12 GMT -5
Yeah Sleeping Dogs combat isn't necessarily as refined as Yakuza's, but they're slightly apples to oranges. SD was designed for the western "GTA-like" market, and is true open world. The Yakuza games I've played (Y1 and Y2 on PS2) weren't true open world at all, and they focused nearly entirely on being beat 'em ups with RPG leveling. Because Yakuza's gameplay was so solely focused on fighting, makes sense its fighting mechanics are super well developed. But with SD, it was up against GTA and Saint's Row, stuff like that. In that regard SD's combat is miles ahead. At any rate I very much enjoyed SD and recommend it over any GTA I've played.
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Post by toei on Mar 2, 2022 19:40:13 GMT -5
Yeah Sleeping Dogs combat isn't necessarily as refined as Yakuza's, but they're slightly apples to oranges. SD was designed for the western "GTA-like" market, and is true open world. The Yakuza games I've played (Y1 and Y2 on PS2) weren't true open world at all, and they focused nearly entirely on being beat 'em ups with RPG leveling. Because Yakuza's gameplay was so solely focused on fighting, makes sense its fighting mechanics are super well developed. But with SD, it was up against GTA and Saint's Row, stuff like that. In that regard SD's combat is miles ahead. At any rate I very much enjoyed SD and recommend it over any GTA I've played. Yep, that's what I meant by "direct competition". Yakuza gets lumped in with that genre a lot, but it really doesn't belong there. The main story is structured and linear. It's basically a 3D brawler action RPG. It jus has a ton of side content, so in that sense it's a little open-worldish, but then RPGs have had sidequests forever. There were very few Japanese open-world game in that general style, as far as I know. There's a PS2 game called Shinjuku no Okami (Wolf of Shinjuku) where you're cop in Tokyo, but it was never released outside of Japan and it doesn't seem good at first glance. Anyway, the comparison was more about how even Sleeping Dogs doesn't quite get that satisfying feel right. It's not really a matter of complexity, and should be doable in that a game like that too. But it gets a lot closer than other games like it. |
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Post by Ex on Mar 2, 2022 21:48:12 GMT -5
Anyway, the comparison was more about how even Sleeping Dogs doesn't quite get that satisfying feel right. Well I think you should give Sleeping Dogs a second chance (via the PS4 version). Sometimes that second time is the charm. And I agree, Yakuza is 100% a beat 'em up/RPG hybrid. It's nothing like GTA. Anyone who enjoys beat 'em ups and RPGs is silly to not play the Yakuza games. |
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Post by Sarge on Mar 3, 2022 1:23:18 GMT -5
And I agree, Yakuza is 100% a beat 'em up/RPG hybrid. It's nothing like GTA. Anyone who enjoys beat 'em ups and RPGs is silly to not play the Yakuza games. I feel like I've been called out. |
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Post by toei on Mar 3, 2022 3:19:08 GMT -5
And I agree, Yakuza is 100% a beat 'em up/RPG hybrid. It's nothing like GTA. Anyone who enjoys beat 'em ups and RPGs is silly to not play the Yakuza games. I feel like I've been called out. You ought to experience at least one. They carry on Sega's old arcade spirit while still doing their own thing. |
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Post by Ex on Mar 3, 2022 12:52:43 GMT -5
I feel like I've been called out. Whaa... you've never played a Yakuza?! |
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Post by Sarge on Mar 3, 2022 14:15:16 GMT -5
Very briefly. I think the only one I have is the first on PS2. Also happen to have Sleeping Dogs.
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Post by Xeogred on Mar 3, 2022 18:47:13 GMT -5
I wish my old roommate who typically values story over gameplay in everything, would play all the Yakuza's. But I think he's still got that allergy to subtitles. lol, I'm glad that's not really a majority anymore though.
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Post by Ex on Mar 3, 2022 20:59:15 GMT -5
I think he's still got that allergy to subtitles. He could have played the original PS2 release at least, it has an English dub. Mark Hamill played Majima. |
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