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Post by Sarge on Oct 17, 2022 22:39:57 GMT -5
I don't think they did too much to it outside of some terrible smoothing to the graphics. It's more port than remaster, honestly, and a bad one at that.
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Post by toei on Oct 18, 2022 4:31:16 GMT -5
Kazin Illusion of Gaia's prequel Soul Blazer has partly similar themes as Alundra - you go into dreams at one point. Maybe that's what you're thinking of? Oh yeah, 100% support Xenogears. For my money, it's the best turn-based RPG on the PSX. I always say that Xenogears is the best flawed game ever made, in that unlike, say, Chrono Trigger, it has clear, important flaws - the last disc, the overlong dungeons (though they are few and far between), particularly the very tedious sewers - but what's good is so good that is doesn't matter. I played it in the mid-'00s, already an adult, and it was the first game where I was excited to wake up in the morning just because I'd get to play it some more since I'd been a kid. I kind of hate Breath of Fire IV, but I love II (on the SNES) and III. If you like the SNES games, III is in the same vein. I'm also a fan of the first Suikoden. Suikoden 2 gets all the love because it's the bigger game, but I prefer the first for how fast-paced and breezy it feels. More turn-based RPGs should have taken after it. The attack animations having multiple characters attack simultaneously so you don't have to wait for each character's turn is a great example. Also, the whole 108 recruitable characters thing is just more impressive the first time around. But yeah, if you want a tun-based RPG that never drags, Suikoden is your best option. Parasite Eve is barely a RPG, but it's a very good game, and there's nothing else like it. For me it encapsulates a certain late '90s Japanese vibe like nothing else - the cinematic ambition, the sense of mystery, the general vibe. It feels more like an action-adventure with a RPG-ish battle system. At the time, a lot of people dismissed the sequel for being more of a standard survival horror with fewer RPG elements, but I found it to be a great game when I played it recently. I really wouldn't call P2 a RPG, so it's more of a general recommendation. I like Granstream Saga. Quirky 3D action RPG with a cool, sky-like atmosphere reminiscent of Soul Blazer and Actraiser (it was made by some of the same folks, Shade being an offshoot of Quintet). Takes place on a floating island. The battle system is unique, as all battles are one-on-one duels. I'd say those are my top choices.
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Post by Kazin on Oct 18, 2022 8:08:35 GMT -5
Wait... the Arc the Lad games are SRPGs?! How did I not know that?! I'm a huge HUGE Shining Force fan, and if they play like those (and less like Final Fantasy Tactics, which I've bounced off several times because it's so finicky - no, I don't want to worry about which direction my characters are facing when I end their turn, thanks), I need to play them ASAP.
Tons to think about here! I've heard a lot of love for Breath of Fire IV and the art looks great from what I've seen of it.
The Suikoden series has been on the "to play" list for years, I'll definitely be playing at least the first two.
I've not played Soul Blazer, weirdly - that's like all that's left on the SNES for me at this point in terms of big hitters I've not played. I guess I just meant the combat felt like what I remember of Illusion of Gaia. Maybe I'm completely misremembering though!
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Post by Ex on Oct 18, 2022 10:06:01 GMT -5
KazinIf you're going to suffer through Alundra, I recommend at least playing via the Un-Worked Designs patch: www.mediafire.com/file/4i2qevad5626dyx/Alundra+Un-Worked+Design+v1.zipIt restores the enemy stats to what they were in the Japanese original. Working Designs had a bad habit of screwing with stuff like that when they "localized" Japanese games. Yes the Arc the Lad games on PS1 are SRPGs. I have only beaten the first Arc the Lad, it was a decent 7/10. Sarge and Xeogred often say Arc the Lad 2 is awesome though, so I intend to keep going with the series eventually. Though if you want to play the best SRPG on PS1, that would be Front Mission 3. Unless you're allergic to mechs. As for the Breath of Fire games, on PS1 I've only beaten BoF3, and frankly outside its nice graphics/OST the actual scenario/game designs were crap. BoF4 is likely much better, but I've not played it. Xeogred often praises BoF4 though. The first Suikoden is a great JRPG. The best thing about it, is its brisk pacing (super fast battle system). You will likely beat it in about 20 hours, because all the fat was cut out. I wish all JRPGs had such great pacing and respect for the player's time investment. Soul Blazer is an excellent action-RPG on SNES, mandatory gaming! What other action-RPGs have you beaten on SNES/SFC though? It's possible there's more good ones you've missed out on. Anyway, just to be clear, my #1 pick as BEST RPG on PS1 is Vagrant Story. It is phenomenal. It's also a game you should read the manual for. A lot of people couldn't figure out the weapon creation system and got nowhere in the game, giving up in frustration. I'm betting you're smarter than that though.
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Post by Kazin on Oct 18, 2022 10:27:55 GMT -5
I haven't even played Terranigma, though I did finally play through Secret of Mana a few years back after bouncing off it a few times. I'm weird about action RPGs, I have to be in the mood for them, whereas I'm pretty much always in the mood for turn based RPGs.
I don't really have an allergy to mechs (I did play through all four Trails of Cold Steel games and were fine with them there), but have never played a Front Mission game. Should probably change that!
I'm leery about Vagrant Story, if I'm honest - I posted somewhere else here that I've not had good experiences with Yasumi Matsuno games, so I've kind of avoided it. I'll probably try it eventually... though the battle system being somewhat related to the Parasite Eve games are also why I've avoided those lol. I hated - HATED - Final Fantasy XII, and have never been able to get into Final Fantasy Tactics, and thought Crimson Shroud was bad too.
I've always heard BoF3 was pretty bad, so I'll probably skip straight to 4 for that series. I've bounced off the first one on SNES a few times, though I hear the second is better.
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Post by Ex on Oct 18, 2022 10:38:08 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of Terranigma. I think it's retroactively overrated buoyed by forbidden fruit syndrome. But most people love it, so YMMV.
For my tastes, the best action-RPGs on SNES/SFC are Front Mission: Gun Hazard*, Brandish 2: The Planet Buster*, Brain Lord, Demon's Crest, Soul Blazer and The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past.
I also enjoyed Alcahest* and Ys V*, which while not being "amazing" were still better than Terranigma.
*All of these have full English fan translations available.
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Post by Kazin on Oct 18, 2022 10:47:57 GMT -5
I have played Ys V, and am surprised to hear you liked it better than Terranigma - I liked Ys V well enough, but it was super bland and pretty boring compared to the rest of that series. Maybe I'm not missing much with Terranigma, then! I do need to try the Brandish games - Falcom generally makes good stuff. Though for the first game at least, I may just play the PSP version because the lack of animation for turning makes me a bit queasy on SNES lol. Does the second game still rotate the same way as the first on SNES?
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Post by Sarge on Oct 18, 2022 11:01:48 GMT -5
I'm on team Terranigma myself. Fantastic game that I actually replayed last year. I've probably finished it four or five times at this point. But yeah, if you love Shining Force, Arc the Lad should be right up your alley. As mentioned earlier, the first game is more of a short snack, and AtL2 just improves pretty much everything. I prefer SF to FFT/Fire Emblem myself, so they were a ton of fun. There's also Twilight of the Spirits on PS2, which plays out just a little differently, but is still a great time. Avoid End of Darkness, though, as it's a clunker of an ARPG. Highly recommend Brandish: Dark Revenant on PSP. Ex finally got me to give it run, and I didn't regret it. And yes, the non-instant turns improve things significantly.
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Post by bonesnapdeez on Oct 18, 2022 11:26:40 GMT -5
For the love of all that is holy, play Terranigma. Hell, just play all the Quintet ARPGs in chronological order. Good times.
I have yet to play Saturn Grandia. It's on my bucket list.
Forgot how many good JRPGs are on the PSX, and how many I have yet to play......... Boss console.
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Post by Ex on Oct 18, 2022 11:33:06 GMT -5
I liked Ys V well enough, but it was super bland and pretty boring compared to the rest of that series. Fair enough criticism, but I still enjoyed Ys V more than Terranigma. At least Ys V is consistent in its game design and scenario structure. Unlike say Terranigma, which felt like potluck and thrown together as it went along. But keep in mind, I didn't put Ys V in my best list! The games in my best list are the crème de la crème of SNES/SFC action-RPGs for my tastes. >Maybe I'm not missing much with Terranigma, then!Chances are you'll love it. Most do. I'm the odd man out on that one. >I do need to try the Brandish games >may just play the PSP versionI have only beaten two Brandish games, because only the first two are available in English.
I first beat Brandish: The Dark Revenant on PSP, and it is an outstanding dungeon crawler/action-RPG. After it I beat Brandish 2: The Planet Buster on SFC. So I would recommend playing B1 PSP first, because B2's story picks up right where B1's story ends (the plots tie together), and because B2 is significantly more difficult than B1 PSP. It pays to have some prior Brandish experience before going into The Planet Buster. >the lack of animation for turning makes me a bit queasy on SNES lol
Yep. >Does the second game still rotate the same way as the first on SNES?B2 on SFC does abruptly change the screen when it rotates, but that is offset by a supremely useful on-screen mini-map that keeps you oriented. Both B1 PSP and B2 SFC are intelligent enough to include that almighty persistent mini-map: B1 PSP B2 SFC Unfortunately, B1 on SNES is stupid and doesn't include a persistent mini-map: B1 SNES
That is why playing B1 on SNES is an exercise in pure nauseous masochism. So go for the PSP remake for it.
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