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Post by Ex on Apr 19, 2019 1:36:44 GMT -5
I was wondering if anyone wanted to discuss some 7th gen console RPGs. I'm talking about stuff that released in 2009 or older obviously. I'll post a list of relevant games. I surely am missing some entries, so if you want to add something to your commentary, by all means do so.
Anyway, here's an initial list to get the ball rolling (these are 360/PS3/Wii releases):
Baroque Blue Dragon Cross Edge Demon's Souls Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Dokapon Kingdom Dragon Age: Origins Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors Enchanted Arms Eternal Sonata Fable II Fallout 3 Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo's Dungeon Final Fantasy IV: The After Years Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Infinite Undiscovery Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom Little King's Story Lost Odyssey Magna Carta 2 Mass Effect Muramasa: The Demon Blade Opoona Phantasy Star Universe Phantom Brave: We Meet Again Rise of the Argonauts Rune Factory Frontier Sacred 2: Fallen Angel Spectrobes: Origins Star Ocean: The Last Hope (NO SPOILERS!) Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World Tales of Vesperia The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion The Last Remnant Two Worlds Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom Valhalla Knights: Elder Saga Valkyria Chronicles White Knight Chronicles (Released in Japan in 2009.)
Which of these have you played, beaten? Any of these super great or super bad in your opinion? Got some good memories to share?
I'll be back later with my input.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 2:52:29 GMT -5
Muramasa: The Demon Blade Well, this one is super great. I played it four times in a row - different characters and difficulty levels. A 9/10 for me. I never thought of it as an RPG though, but the internet seems to agree it is, in fact, a side-scrolling ARPG. I always regarded it as a hack 'n slash. For the record, I played the Wii version. Radiant Dawn and Oblivion are pretty good, too.
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Post by Ex on Apr 19, 2019 11:01:18 GMT -5
Muramasa: The Demon Blade Nice to hear good things about this one. I originally owned the Wii version, but sold it when I bought the enhanced Vita port entitled Muramasa Rebirth. I've not played the game yet though. In my experience with Vanillaware games, they have gorgeous graphics but thin and repetitive gameplay. That proved true for me in playing the original PS2 version of Odin Sphere, Dragon's Crown on PS3, and Grand Knights History on PSP. All beautiful yet quickly boring games. I'm hoping Muramasa will buck that trend when I get around to it. Kinda surprised to read praise for this right out the gate. I played it myself back around 2007 on PC. I only put about four or five hours into it before quitting. I can't recall why I stopped playing Oblivion. It's probably because I was just goofing around, and not actually doing any quests or following the primary campaign. I did later on end up buying the Game of the Year edition for 360, because I'd like to check out the Shivering Isles portion someday.
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Post by toei on Apr 19, 2019 13:43:53 GMT -5
I have played and finished two of them, Blue Dragon and FFIV: The After Years. I had to borrow the consoles both times, which shows you how much I wanted to play each of them. In that light, both were disappointments, though BD isn't necessarily bad. For Blue Dragon, it was my older brother's 360. He and his girlfriend at the time left on a vacation for a week (I think) and wanted someone to watch his place. I was either on vacation myself or between jobs, cause I agreed to stay there for the week, and I'm pretty sure I bought Blue Dragon just to play it during that week. I had kept up with all the hype - people wanted it to be either the new Chrono Trigger (because Toriyama was working with Sakaguchi again) or something like the 360's Dragon Quest 8. The boss theme had been leaked and had become like a mini-meme - it was weird and ridiculous and sung by the Deep Purple guy (who needs lyrics during a boss fight, even?), and kind of great, too. Anyway, I didn't like the way the game started at all. Your hometown was destroyed right away, before you got the chance to get familiar with it, so there was no way you'd care; you were just thrown into some story you cared nothing about with no proper introduction to anything. It took about 10 hours before things improved (I was more patient then). Then the game entered a weird cycle; it'd be good for several hours, with the story picking up and the writing getting livelier and interesting locales to visit, then it'd get bland and boring again for several hours, up until the end. The battle system was decent, but the battles were too easy, so I just avoided most battles. The bosses and stronger enemies on the map, who usually protected treasure, were fun, though. It took too long to search areas since every damn thing could be examined. And I'm a Toriyama fan, and I love a lot of his character designs, but the Blue Dragon cast was as plain as can be. In particular, Jiro has to be the lamest, most boring mofo in videogame history. He's the guy on the right: He looks like a Lego with a preppy haircut stole Link's ugly green tunic. Actually the girl and the main dude look like the most boring Bulma and Goku clones ever conceived, too. Just no personality. So yeah, very uneven game. I sold it on ebay after I finished it, since I wasn't going to buy a 360. I ended up playing the ARPG DS sequel, which had a terrible story but was surprisingly fun. It won't be compliant for another year, though. FF IV: After Years is a shorter story. Borrowed a friend's Wii, brought it home, bought the game on the Wii shop. I didn't have the greatest attachment to FFIV - it's got its moments, but it's no FFVI - but I just wanted another SNES-style RPG, and it seemed like it could be legit. It plays like fan-fiction early on. Lots of revisiting areas, seeing people again. They couldn't be bothered to make new dungeons or pace things properly, though, so they had you going back and forth through that same damn tunnel dungeon about 50 times as filler. Nothing much happened, storywise (in fact, I don't remember what it was about at all). Then the weirdest thing happens; you get to the final dungeon, and it's several times longer than the rest of the game. I mean the dungeon is like 15-20 hours long. It never ends. Figuratively, because I did finish it, but I remember the disbelief as I beat boss after boss and made it down further and further and the damn thing just kept going. Ridiculous. I don't recommend playing that one unless you're just the biggest FFIV fan. There's probably better romhacks, and I say that as someone who never bothers with romhacks.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 19, 2019 15:05:33 GMT -5
Of those, I'd probably say Dragon Age: Origins is the best. While I don't think it was as good as KOTOR, it was still a lot of fun, and very structurally similar. At least on console! I haven't played the PC version, but by all accounts, the console versions (of which I played the PS3 one) are a bit more simplified from a combat perspective to keep things more manageable from a UI standpoint. I'm glad, too, because I had one heck of a time with the last fight; I basically had to take control of Wynne and keep everyone healed. The PC version can be played more like the Infinity Engine games, and have a bit more strategy to them because mouse/keyboard gives you quicker ways to react from a overhead perspective. At least that's what I remember reviews saying. If I've remembered wrong, someone point it out!
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Post by Ex on Apr 19, 2019 16:10:46 GMT -5
I'll throw some quick thoughts out. If anyone wants me to elaborate further I can do so.
Games I've beaten/played from the list:
Baroque = Beat this on PS2 actually (but I owned the Wii version at one time), it was a decent roguelike with an incomprehensible plot. 7/10
Demon's Souls = Beat this on PS3, it's a masterpiece. 10/10
Dokapon Kingdom = Beat twice on Wii, super fun multiplayer-RPG. 8/10
Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors = Beat this on Wii, quite a fun action-RPG, but last boss is kinda ridiculous. 8/10
Fable II = Played this on 360 via co-op. We both got bored with it and quit.
Fallout 3 = Beat this on PC. Super great WRPG, but not as good as New Vegas (because NV feels more like traditional Fallout). 8.5/10
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers = Beat this on Wii, very fun action-RPG with great graphics. Deserves more love than it got. 8/10
Mass Effect = Beat this on 360. I loved the heckleberries out of it. 9/10
Sacred 2: Fallen Angel = Played this via co-op on 360. We both got bored with it and quit.
The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion = Played this on PC. Didn't hold my attention long enough to beat.
Valkyria Chronicles = Beat this on PS3. Lovely lovely SRPG, such a great plot and wonderful characters. 9/10
Games I own but haven't played yet from the list:
Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Dragon Age: Origins Enchanted Arms Eternal Sonata Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo's Dungeon Final Fantasy IV: The After Years Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Infinite Undiscovery Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom Little King's Story Lost Odyssey Magna Carta 2 Muramasa: The Demon Blade Phantasy Star Universe Phantom Brave: We Meet Again Rise of the Argonauts Rune Factory Frontier Spectrobes: Origins Star Ocean: The Last Hope Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World Tales of Vesperia The Last Remnant Two Worlds Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom Valhalla Knights: Elder Saga White Knight Chronicles
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Post by Xeogred on Apr 19, 2019 18:45:29 GMT -5
Demon's Souls - 11/10 absolute masterpiece. My #1 of the current and last gen.Dragon Age: Origins - Yo, I hated this game. I remember playing it for 30 hours and after fighting some dragon, I literally dropped the controller and asked "WTF am I doing?" ... I wish I could remember the exact specifics. I remember this game doing some things right that I liked, being able to have some good party AI control like FF12's gambit system, but something near the end of my playthrough put me over the edge and I'll never forget that moment of just being dumbfounded and hard quitting it. This drab style of medieval fantasy can bore me big time, so that didn't help. (I have beaten and enjoyed Inquisition though).
Eternal Sonata - seemed okay but way too kiddie for me and the focus on musical instruments or something wasn't a very compelling plot. Didn't finish it.
Fable II - average 3D Zelda clone. This is the only one I played and beat, it was okay. But I'd find it very hard to convince anyone to go back and play it now, unless making your character fart wins you over.
Fallout 3 - Hated it initially, then I played and beat NV which I loved. I went back to Fallout 3 later and modded it on the PC to replace all the music with classic tracks from Fallout 1-2, this made it infinitely better. I don't recall the side quests or anything being interesting, but the main plot was solid and the big destroyed city section with a lot of super mutants was cool. I'm still not totally fatigued on first person open world games, but only Bethesda seems to keep doing them. For better or worse? I was kind of hoping Fallout 76 was going to be a rumored remaster of 3 instead.
Final Fantasy IV: The After Years - I think I'm the biggest FF4 fan here by a long shot, but I hated this and couldn't even get that far. As toei said, the early going felt like nasty fan fiction and you have to play through the perspective of one character at a time, including the boring Edward (on his own, while some generic guards do most of the attacking in battles). It was just an utter slog from the few hours I played. FF4 has by far one of the best most conclusive endings of all the FF's, so a sequel was indeed completely pointless!
Lost Odyssey - An absolute gem and must play for any JRPG fans. I find it comparable to FFX in ways here and there, kind of the same era for Sakaguchi and company focusing a lot on life and death... but I'd say Lost Odyssey feels a lot more like a "lost PSX Final Fantasy" than FFX does itself. The gameplay and combat feels more like a combination of FF and DQ, not to mention there's some tough difficulty spikes early on. A very cool world, amazing and adult characters, Uematsu's awesome music as always. My only complaint is that the villain is not very active and very forgettable. I can't even name him. But seriously this game is amazing, huge recommendation. Mass Effect - Pure magic, I'm in the midst of a full trilogy replay of this one (now digging into ME3 again) and to be honest, I still like things ME1 does more than the sequels here and there. They all have their own strengths, but ME1 has a lot of mystique to its slower adventurous pace, it feels innocent and vast. You spend a lot of time on its limited planets and the vibes are so awesome. The music has more of a retro techno flair than the sequels too. A top notch villain, great characters, solid gameplay, etc. It's got some funky design, remnants of Bioware's KOTOR blueprints and all here, but that's just part of its unique charm. Whereas the sequels fit more into a standard third person mold... but yeah. I can't really knock any of them, but ME1 on its own is fantastic and conclusive enough. I think both WRPG and JRPG fans should check this one out.
Phantom Brave: We Meet Again - Own it and unfortunately a lot of that obscure NIS stuff doesn't gel with me. Star Ocean: The Last Hope - I own the recent remaster on Steam, which has dual audio I believe so I'll be playing in Japan. This one looks Xenosaga-level sci-fi (super sci-fi), and I'm hopeful I'll like it. The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion - Horrendous, I played it on the 360 so that's probably the worst version, but it had constant sluggish loading out in the main field and every single random dungeon/cave looked exactly the same. This game looks like pure dooky on the eyes thesedays too. The era of BROWN. I'll just stop there, nothing good to say about my time with this.
The Last Remnant - Although story/character wise weaker than something like Lost Odyssey, I'm pretty sure I like Last Remnant even more. The combat system is phenomenal and very unique, an awesome and epic spin on the JRPG formula. Instead of controlling singular characters, you control multiple big squads at once. So it really gives off this awesome war-sense of scale. The OST is absolutely insane, half of the whole soundtrack is just epic rocking battle/boss themes. I find the story/world to be similar to FF12, but of the two I've only beaten one... and that would be Last Remnant. The gameplay is freaking amazing. Hidden gem.
Two Worlds - Another one I'm curious about. Valkyria Chronicles - Saw my friend play a lot back in the day when it was new and it looked amazing. I still hear great things to this day and want to check it out eventually.
White Knight Chronicles - Apparently I rented this from Gamefly and played it, but registered no trophy and can't remember anything. A strange curiosity... I'd like to take a look at it again someday.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 19, 2019 20:11:30 GMT -5
Whoops, missed Mass Effect buried in that list. It was better than DA:O.
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Post by Xeogred on Apr 19, 2019 20:47:45 GMT -5
Whoops, missed Mass Effect buried in that list. It was better than DA:O. lmao! It was funny seeing some contrasting thoughts on that one.
I don't know how to really break it down, but Demon's Souls is my kind of medieval fantasy. Stuff like Oblivion/Dragon Age is super boring to me!
It sounds like Dragon Age Origins might be better geared towards older Bioware fans. I also couldn't get into the Baldurs Gate games at all, but I can see how DA might be in that lineage. Mass Effect is closer to KOTOR and the sci-fi worlds are an easier win for me.
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Post by Ex on Apr 19, 2019 21:46:57 GMT -5
I don't know how to really break it down, but Demon's Souls is my kind of medieval fantasy. Demon's Souls is gothic fantasy, also known as dark fantasy. Dragon Age/ Oblivion are high fantasy. I'm glad that you agree Demon's Souls is a masterpiece. I assume @gunstargreen would agree too if he were around. If I were to make a list of ten games everyone should play through before they die, Demon's Souls would be smack dab on that list.
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