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Post by Ex on Oct 29, 2018 10:14:37 GMT -5
With the current generation... the PS4 and Xbox One are five years old now, a half decade. The Switch is younger, but will be three years old next year. Personally I have not bought any of these platforms yet. I honestly don't feel any impetus presently to buy an Xbox One or Switch. There are some exclusives on the PS4 I would like to play "someday", but I'm in no hurry to buy the platform. I do in fact keep up with modern releases -I know what's out there- but none of it has made me say, "I must have this right now in my life."
I think it's the matter of already having such large libraries for older platforms, consisting of many many games I still haven't played yet. Imagining buying yet another platform, only to add more games to the unplayed pile, doesn't sound like the best idea. As an adult gamer I find that money is not the issue when playing games, rather it's budgeting time to do so. Time is my most expensive commodity. I sometimes wonder if early adopters of new generational platforms have already beaten all the games they care about on older platforms, so they just jump on in with a clean gaming-time slate. Of course one could theorize many more scenarios as well.
So for you who have bought a PS4/One/Switch, any particular reason? Do you find it challenging to balance retro gaming with modern gaming as a result? If a PS5/Two/Switch DX came out next month, would you jump on those immediately? Or would you wait until whatever your personal trigger is?
For those of you who have not bought into the latest gaming generation, what's your hold up? Are there concrete reasons why you've not chosen to do so?
Is it possible for a gamer to hit upon a saturation point? Sometimes I think I'm edging there.
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Post by Sarge on Oct 29, 2018 10:46:24 GMT -5
So, I don't usually buy systems at launch. I have a PS4, and I waited until a price drop, and there were enough titles that I wanted to play that it felt like it was worth snagging one. In that case, I ended up getting Metal Gear Solid V, Witcher 3, and Batman: Arkham Knight right off the bat. It also helps that my brother was also interested in a few games as well. Interestingly, he later bought his own PS4 so he didn't tie up what is now mine, mainly because he plays a lot of online stuff these days. I bought out my "half" of the PS4. I held out on the 3DS as well initially, until the price drop made it worthwhile.
There are exceptions, though. It seems to revolve around certain games, though. I bought a GBA right around launch, because it came out with Castlevania: Circle of the Moon. Given my love of SotN, it made it a no-brainer. When the Wii came out, the promise of the platform was enough to get me to bite, but even more pressing was that it launched with Twilight Princess. While I skipped the Wii U until there was a sale and Super Mario 3D World was out, the Switch saw the restoration of the same pattern as the Wii: new Zelda game = purchase. So basically, just launch with a Zelda game and I'll probably buy the system.
It's always hard to balance the retro and the modern from a time perspective, simply because modern games tend to be a lot longer. This year I'm running a fairly even split, but last year was really unbalanced towards modern. Of course, a lot of the "modern" was actually retro indie throwbacks, which don't feel modern at all.
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Post by Ex on Oct 29, 2018 11:42:18 GMT -5
I guess if we're going to count 3DS/Vita in the current generation, then well, I do own those platforms. I bought a 3DS XL back in 2013, and a Vita in 2014. Both were bought because I was (still am) such a huge fan of the DS and PSP platforms. Seeing as the 3DS/Vita were the immediate successors, and were attracting a lot of Japanese development attention, I couldn't resist. At this point in time though, handheld gaming going forward is relegated to mobile and the Switch. I don't mind mobile games when they have all their content in one package, but that's a rare thing. Most mobile games are straight up vampires trying to suck your money one IAP at a time. The Switch I can see myself buying someday, but Nintendo's gonna have to get a lot more big exclusives on it for that to happen. (Something like 95% of the Switch's library is just ports or shared releases.) Maybe in 2020 I'll bite.
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Post by anayo on Oct 29, 2018 17:59:12 GMT -5
I have a Switch because it’s basically like a PS3 in the form of an iPad mini. This appeals to me because it makes it possible to play in ways I just couldn’t before. However, PS4 and XBO are not that much of an upgrade. Over the past 25 years I have gone from NES to Genesis to N64 to Gamecube to a Windows PC that could play Crysis on medium settings. So I have the context and perspective to say that this generation does have much to offer over the last one. For me, that makes it a hard sell at best.
The PS4 and XBO have a better GPU and more RAM than the PS3 and 360. But they have the same CPU. So the shaders and textures look a little prettier but the underlying simulation is almost exactly the same. I’m not interested in legacy game engines with higher resolutions and frame rates. I want a more advanced simulation with interactivity that wasn’t possible before. This feeds into my deeper underlying grievance that mainstream gaming is more about spectacle and set pieces than interactivity. Most people think that if something looks complex and deep, then that means it must intrinsically be complex and deep.
In 2018 certain current-gen console games are pioneering amazing game engines forcing me to acknowledge this generation is hitting its stride. But this doesn’t address another problem, namely that games have also grown more corporate. I mean like $60 retail games that nickel and dime players in ways that only free to play iPhone games used to. Also, a few high profile, current-gen sequels I was interested in got middling reviews. And I can’t forget my overwhelming mountain of XBOX 360 games. I picked them up for between $1 and $10 because people donated and pawned them off. Theses games are getting sequels, remasters, and ports now. But I have the originals in my closet and haven’t even booted them up.
The currently available upgrade advanced enough to pique my interest would be a PC with an HTC Vive headset and an RTX-enabled Nvidia GPU, but that would be idiotic because A) the tech is too immature to be any more than a novelty, and B) electronics nose dive in price over time. If I were to spend that kind of money on whatever my heart wanted, I’d put it somewhere it could snowball compound interest over time, not squander it on a toy that’ll be worthless in 15 years. Retro gaming prices have climbed over the past 10 years and that probably has something to do with why I’ll buy a CIB Sega Genesis game before a retail PS4 game.
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Post by Ex on Oct 29, 2018 20:58:22 GMT -5
Theses games are getting sequels, remasters, and ports now. But I have the originals in my closet and haven’t even booted them up. I can relate to this so hard.
From the technological perspective, I agree that PS4/One doesn't show that much advancement from previous generations graphically. It's more a measure of smaller increased detail than great swaths of visual improvement. That's speaking in general, of course. A few very high profile, very high budget AAA releases in this gen probably wouldn't have looked nearly as good last gen.
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Post by Sarge on Oct 29, 2018 21:47:22 GMT -5
There's less of a gap, but there's definitely a gap. It might not be PS2 to PS3, but there's some really nice looking games out there, and a lot of the time you get some extra smoothness out of the deal, too.
Also, the CPUs are pretty much the same in the PS4/XB1, but they're both wildly different architectures as compared to last generation (360/PS3). Both decided to go down the "PC" route, basically making a fairly cheap PC gaming rig this gen. The advantage is that the toolchains are really mature, and it makes things easier to port to PC. It also cuts down on development costs, which continue to be ridiculous in the AAA space.
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Post by laurenhiya21 on Oct 30, 2018 14:01:26 GMT -5
I have all of the new systems but I didn't buy all of them myself.
The 3DS I got since I had some Christmas money and there were a few games I really wanted to play at the time. Now I don't play much on it but at the time it was a good purchase I think since I wanted to be able to play games on the go (I did have a DS but I didn't have many games nor did I have the ability to buy more DS games so I couldn't use it much).
The Vita I got more recently since it has a lot of exclusives that I really wanted to play and I still have a lot I want to play on it. It's definitely a lot more interesting to me than the 3DS since I like more of the games, the region free aspect of it, and the system overall is much nicer for me to use.
PS4/Switch were gifts and I wanted to play some exclusives on them anyway so yay for gifts! (I think technically I may have split the cost of the Switch but close enough). I still play on the PS4 a lot, but I haven't played too much on the Switch recently. I that's more cause of limited funds and time rather than lack of interest though.
XB1 I have because my husband got one for free during his Microsoft internship. I've used it once or twice and I currently don't have any interest in playing more on it since there aren't any exclusives I want to play. At least it was free?
Does it make it hard to balance retro and new? Yeah a bit. Obviously I can't play all the games at once and I have fairly limited time right now (yay college), and it's usually easier to choose whatever the easiest option is (and that's usually something newer). Right now if a new console was released I wouldn't buy it. Too many games to play and not enough money. If something was announced for this new system that I really wanted to play, it would be pretty tempting though.
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Post by bonesnapdeez on Oct 31, 2018 14:07:56 GMT -5
Yeah I think I'm done. Whenever I look at something like PS4 and Xbone I think about how many great Atari 2600, PC Engine, or Super Famicom games I could get with the same financial investment. I vastly prefer retro to modern games, so the answer is clear.
Also, and this is kinda goofy, but I've seriously run out of shelf space and places to hook up consoles to my televisions. I'm slowing down on the "collecting" aspect in general.
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Post by Ex on Oct 31, 2018 16:36:14 GMT -5
It's definitely a lot more interesting to me than the 3DS since I like more of the games, the region free aspect of it, and the system overall is much nicer for me to use. Overall I think the 3DS and Vita have an equal amount of quality games, although the titles on the Vita skew towards an older audience. (As a weeby pervert I do appreciate the sort of raunchy games available on the Vita that the 3DS didn't receive.) But when it comes to hardware quality... yeah the Vita blows the 3DS away IMO. Yet that high res Vita screen came at a price for Sony, and ultimately cost them the race I think. But that's a different story for a different day, and isn't really "retro" related anyway. I find it interesting every time I read about adults who receive game store gift cards, gaming hardware, or video games as presents. It kind of makes me envious. I haven't received a video game, or video game system, as a birthday/Christmas gift since I was ~14 years old. I've had to buy all my own video game stuff since I was a sophomore in high school. (Do you hear the violins playing softly in the distance?) I suppose the fact that very few adults in my life know that I even play video games probably has something to do with the scenario. It used to be harder for me to balance the two. But these days I find it harder to focus play on newer games. Mainly because of the current Together Retro format, this forum, and this forum's own monthly gaming club. My gaming has heavily skewed towards retro this year. Which is fine, because my entire gaming library will eventually be "retro" inevitably regardless. Yeah I think I'm done. Whenever I look at something like PS4 and Xbone I think about how many great Atari 2600, PC Engine, or Super Famicom games I could get with the same financial investment. I vastly prefer retro to modern games, so the answer is clear. I'm right there with you. I do see tempting PS4 games here and there, but I'm fine waiting a year or three more before collecting for the platform. There's some really annoying aspects of modern gaming I don't like, such as practically-required IAP, mandatory patching, forced online integration - things of that nature, which push me away ideologically. I can see the quality in quite a few modern games - I'm not a hipster luddite or whatever - I just feel rather satiated with what I already have. Perhaps after I clear out a significant portion of my existing library, I'd feel more validated to get a PS4 or Switch. By then those systems will be outmoded anyway, and thus discounted.
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Post by anayo on Nov 3, 2018 10:46:56 GMT -5
The only PS4 game I own is a physical release of Windjammers, which was brand new in 1994. >_>
This brings up another thing that annoys me about current gen: compilations of older games. I actually really like these. I discovered Atari in 2004 thanks to Atari Anniversary Redux on PS1, used Sega Smash Pack Volume 1 for Dreamcast as a stopgap before re-acquring a real Sega Genesis, and basically used my PS2 as a Neo Geo thanks to all those SNK compilations. But when a Genesis compilation comes out on PS3 then a slightly worse one comes out on PS4 (like with certain desirable games removed), I'm left scratching my head.
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