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Post by Xeogred on Jul 2, 2023 13:27:19 GMT -5
Undercover Cops was... alright. Kind of usual IREM. Amazing production values but I don't recall loving some stuff about the combat/bosses.
Thinking about Capcom again, I think Cadillacs and Dinosaurs is a cooler follow up to Final Fight than the actual two sequels. Amazing OST too. It's definitely on the easier side though.
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Post by toei on Jul 2, 2023 14:30:59 GMT -5
I think every other Capcom beat-'em-up is a better follow-up. Captain Commando, Warriors of Fate, Cadillacs. My favorite is The Punisher, though, because it has the most variety, the best pacing and the most weapons.
Undercover Cop is strictly mediocre to me, it's stiff and gets very cheap later on. I'm not a fan.
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Post by Ex on Jul 2, 2023 14:50:39 GMT -5
Let's keep this in mind: Final Fight CD (1993) is a port of Final Fight (1989). For 1989, Final Fight was very impressive. Saying FF isn't as good as beat 'em ups that released years later, is not exactly a parallel criticism. It'd be fairer to compare FF with other beat 'em ups that released in 1989. Golden Axe was the other big 1989 beat 'em up. I love Golden Axe but I think Final Fight holds its own in comparison, comes down to aesthetic preference.
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Post by toei on Jul 2, 2023 15:05:33 GMT -5
I'm not dissing Final Fight, I'm dissing 2 and 3. Golden Axe is cool but Final Fight is definitely better.
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Post by Sarge on Jul 2, 2023 16:25:32 GMT -5
Its the other way around, the Sega CD significantly boosted performance, whereas the Duo just added RAM and a CD module. There's some impressive stuff on the Sega CD that the PC Engine could never do, like Soul Star.
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Post by toei on Jul 2, 2023 16:40:35 GMT -5
A lot of the PCE-CD games look better because it basically took over from the plain PCE around 1993, so the last couple years of games (up until 1995), which always have the nicest graphics, were all PCE-CD. The RPGs from those years look about as good as SNES games, while the late '80s HuCARD RPGs were like NES games with better colors. Also the PCE-CD just did better in Japan than the Sega CD which remained pretty marginal, so it just got more quality games. The Sega CD has a few real gems and decent games, it wasn't completely useless, but the PCE-CD in effect became a successor to the original PCE while the Sega CD remained an add-on.
Comparison: HuCARD RPG (1989)
CD-ROM RPG (1995)
This might be the best-looking one, though; in general they look like middle-of-the-road SNES games and don't quit reach the graphical prowess of high-profile late mid '90s SNES RPGs, but there's a big improvement. I'm also a fan of the PCE's color palette in general.
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Post by Xeogred on Jul 2, 2023 17:02:39 GMT -5
Weird. I didn't think the Sega CD release like the SNES version, had less enemies on screen as well. Guess all the versions are kind of blurring in my mind.
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Post by anayo on Jul 4, 2023 10:27:19 GMT -5
Xeogred At first I tried playing at normal difficulty with the default amount of lives, but I kept getting defeated in the industrial area over and over again. Then I remembered that In my favorite “arcade at home” games like Virtua Cop II and Die Hard Arcade I would max out the lives anyway. I love those, but I’ve never actually beaten them with default number of lives. So, I set Final Fight CD’s difficulty to “easy”, maxed out the lives, and enabled the setting that would give me a new life every 200,000 points. Even then, it was really difficult. I couldn’t perceive how the “easy” setting affected the game, though. That still felt the same to me. Ex My “character arc” was that I instinctually disliked Final Fight at first, but by the end I thought it was a classic. I can tell it would have been a head-turner in 1989. Undercover Cops looks great. Just from the video I can tell it has way more frames of animation, color, and detailed graphics than Final Fight CD. I’ll have to check if I have it on my original XBOX with Mame on it. Sadly I haven’t explored arcade gaming as much as I would like. I guess because I like playing on original hardware, and I have a lot of Sega and Nintendo consoles, but arcade hardware is difficult for me to get into. So, generally I would only play arcade games that got home ports. The one arcade-only brawler I would most like to play is Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder. It looks so cool. I wish it got ported to the Sega Saturn. toei Sarge Thanks for clearing that up. I was aware that the Sega CD had another Motorola 68000 with a higher clock speed than the Genesis, as well as sprite rotation and scaling the Genesis could only do in software. But I wasn’t sure about what the PCE CD had under the hood. I guess I just assumed that since Rondo of Blood and Lords of Thunder looked so much better than Bonk’s Adventure and Coryoon, that must have meant the PCE CD had more power. Maybe that was true for the CD games requiring an arcade card, like Ginga Fukei Densetsu Sapphire, but I guess the good looking ones that didn’t were just making more judicious use of the PCE itself. toei I couldn’t agree more. That’s a big reason why I like Devil’s Crush on TG16 more than Dragon’s Fury for the Genesis. Sarge Thanks to your post, Soul Star is going to be the next Sega CD game that play. I’ve had it in my crosshairs for years, but I never made time for it. I do have a question for ya’ll, though. Have any of you ever successfully patched the Japanese Mega CD game “Devastator” before? I spent about an hour trying to patch it to run on my NTSC-U Sega CD with no luck. No matter what I tried, my Sega CD just kept taking me to the CD player menu. I could just emulate it, but playing on real hardware is my thing.
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Post by Ex on Jul 4, 2023 10:41:52 GMT -5
Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder It's very good, I beat it many years ago via MAME. I've beaten loads of arcade games via MAME, as I have no compunctions concerning software emulation. Life is short, whatever gets me to playing what I want to play fastest is fair enough. Good luck with Devastator, hopefully somebody here can help. SEGA CD hardware isn't my thing, but I like the games.
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Post by anayo on Jul 4, 2023 11:07:04 GMT -5
When I'm completely priced out, I don't either. Like with PCE CD and Sharp X68000. Those just aren't affordable anymore. I have a real Sega CD, though.
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