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Post by Xeogred on Feb 15, 2018 18:35:47 GMT -5
Lost Odyssey is excellent, but I think it does fall short in terms of good antagonists. I can picture the main bad but am completely drawing a blank on the name or if he even did much. It had some annoying difficulty spikes too but then later on, if you figure out the game enough you can cheese it pretty easily with overpowered setups. Everything else though, the game is a home run in my book. Felt a lot like a lost PSX Final Fantasy with a bunch of obvious staff connections.
I really loved the immortality angle a lot for sure ... anyone know of other games with explore that? I think I've heard Valkyrie Profile does. Anything about life/death and existential dread, sign me up haha.
I also thought the world was incredible. I wonder if they ever had plans for sequels? I'm really bummed Mistwalker's main site has become Sakaguchi's nature blog and they seem pretty much defunct now.
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Post by Ex on Feb 15, 2018 21:07:32 GMT -5
I own a copy of Lost Odyssey, haven't played it yet of course. Some day.
While we're on the subject of 10+ year old 360 JRPGs, what's you guys opinions on these:
Blue Dragon Enchanted Arms Eternal Sonata Infinite Undiscovery Phantasy Star Universe Tales of Vesperia The Last Remnant
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Post by Xeogred on Feb 15, 2018 23:21:26 GMT -5
Enchanted Arms Eternal Sonata The Last Remnant Enchanted Arms - looked insanely bad haha. I had a friend who had it and watched him play a lot. It felt like one of those cases where it was like, this is one of the first JRPG's on the console... so it's cool... right guys? *chirp* Eternal Sonata - I played this one and still own it, never be it though. I recall the story being a bit too light and happy for my tastes. It focuses on music and stuff... *The Last Remnant* - might be the only guy you'll ever hear this from, but I LOVED this game and almost got all 1,000/1,000 achievements. I made one wrong choice at some point in the story that prevented me from getting 100% completion, so it locked me out of two 250 point achievements, hah! But seriously this game was amazing and I don't know why it was dogged on, probably just because it was on the 360 where JRPG's died. Yes, I almost got 100% and did everything! This has to be one of the most accessible Akitoshi Kawazu games ever made, but that's not to say it was simplistic or anything at all. It was really creative and in battles you don't order single characters around like traditional JRPG's, instead you control full parties at once. I think you can have up to like 3-5 or something. There's a lot of unit recruitment and army building elements. Literally everything about this game felt a lot like FFXII or something Matsuno could have worked on and honestly, as it stands I still think I like The Last Remnant more. The story and world is solid enough, I think the 360 version has some slowdown but I didn't really care, the gameplay was just freaking amazing, I absolutely loved the combat system. Maybe a little out of this place since the story isn't amazing or anything, but I still thought it was good and was interesting all the way through. Killer OST too, damn good stuff. www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XqE5VSFuFMwww.youtube.com/watch?v=GVTxQvZ09IUwww.youtube.com/watch?v=KMaFsudO46s - my favorite, some of it actually makes me think of Secret of Mana It was one of those rare JRPG's with like 20 battle themes. Nice showcase of some action: Haters gonna hate... but I love The Last Remnant. Hopefully someday I find someone else I can talk about it with!
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Post by dunpeal2064 on Feb 16, 2018 4:18:59 GMT -5
I own Infinite Undiscovery, but haven't played it yet. It pretty much universally gets crap, but there is another gamer who's tastes tend to line up with mine, who put it in his top 100 of all time, so I was curious enough to buy it.
Also own Last Remnant and Eternal Sonata, but haven't started either.
Tales of Vesperia, however, I did play. I generally don't click with the Tales games very much, but this was the one exception, mostly due to a very interesting main character and interesting take on their combat system (That then got worse in later titles imo, Berseria aside since I haven't played that one). Its a long game, though, probably a bit too long (Though I'd say this about most 80+ hour games, so take that as you will), and it still falls into typical Tales stuff, but the widly different protagonist just did it for me.
Phantasy Star Universe really excited me, since I really love PSO. But, after about 15 hours in, I just wasn't having fun. I'm not sure if it was actually bad, or if my tastes just didn't align, but the game just felt boring as hell, and very lifeless.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 16, 2018 10:21:36 GMT -5
I own a copy of Lost Odyssey, haven't played it yet of course. Some day. While we're on the subject of 10+ year old 360 JRPGs, what's you guys opinions on these: Blue Dragon Enchanted Arms Eternal Sonata Infinite Undiscovery Phantasy Star Universe Tales of Vesperia The Last Remnant Enchanted Arms isn't bad at all. It's a From Software game, even! If I remember right, it has something of a monster-collection aspect to go with everything else. I never finished it, though, and the plot never stood out to me. Blue Dragon... well, it's kiddie anime. I was so disappointed by that game. Not for the plot, just the game in general. The combat felt too generic, and searching everything was just a gigantic pain in the butt. Eternal Sonata was a blast. I'm not sure I'd say the plot was good, though. It made very little sense overall. You know, like most anime-styled RPGs! Infinite Discovery does get a lot of crap. The first two or three hours are really rough. Forced stealth mission + escort / escape mission = bad times. Mainly because they are implemented terribly. But then you get to the meat of the game with the combat, and it ends up being a solid action-RPG. Tales of Vesperia definitely sports one of the cooler protagonists in the series. He's willing to do things that many of us wish our JRPG heroes had the guts to do. The combat never felt like it flowed well to me, though. I finished it, but it was one of those "I'm glad to have it behind me" deals more than sheer enjoyment by the end. The Last Remnant might be the most interesting of this set. Mainly 'cause it's a secret SaGa game. The combat system is fascinating stuff; the story, not so much. Still, that was one epic final battle when I finally finished it, and that soundtrack... awesome stuff! It's better played on PC than 360; better performance over the practically-broken 360 version. (Seriously, the game is nearly unplayable if you don't install to the hard drive.) The 360 version is the one I beat, though. There are some differences in balancing between the PC/360 versions, mainly with how many hero characters you can throw into a Union (in the PC, you can use as many as you want). That also means the difficulty has been boosted to compensate.
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Post by dunpeal2064 on Feb 16, 2018 10:26:55 GMT -5
Blue Dragon always reminded me of Okage: Shadow King for the ps2, mostly because of the character+thingy behind it stuff, and both are really light-hearted. Okage was more well-paced for a light-hearted game, though, whereas Blue Dragon was a bit much for how gentle it was. I was not a huge fan of it either, especially compared to Mistwalkers other games.
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Post by Sarge on Feb 16, 2018 10:55:07 GMT -5
It probably doesn't help that I lost about 20 hours of gameplay progress when my 360 died... I always save to external storage now, although the Elite I picked up to replace that system is still going strong.
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Post by Ex on Feb 16, 2018 10:55:45 GMT -5
It was one of those rare JRPG's with like 20 battle themes. Now there's an all too rare quality that I do appreciate in more intelligent JRPGs. I've never understood the mindset of having only ONE battle theme for a 20-80 hour long game, in which you fight thousands of times, all to the same two minute long loop of music. Every. Single. Time. That idea is so ridiculously shortsighted. So I always appreciate when a JRPG bothers to have multiple fighting themes besides just "normal battle song" and "boss battle song". - Thanks for all the input on the 360 JRPGs guys. I haven't played yet, but own most of these, except for Blue Dragon and Phantasy Star Universe. I really don't understand how any grown up could like Blue Dragon. I've watched videos of it and... ugh? Yeah, "ugh" fits. Blue Dragon would be a great first JRPG for an eight year old I guess. What a giant waste of money targeting the wrong demographic for its platform. However, the Blue Dragon DS games look decent, though they are too new to discuss here.
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Post by toei on Feb 16, 2018 15:14:01 GMT -5
Blue Dragon was good in *parts*, but too uneven to recommend. It doesn't help that the first few hours are one of the bad parts. I like when old-school RPGs take the time to introduce the characters and let you explore your hometown first, otherwise I can't care what happens to them. This game literally starts with your town being destroyed, except you haven't been there or talked to anybody, so who cares? I didn't mind the gameplay, though there was definitely too much searching going on. It had been described by some as similar to Dragon Quest, so I was disappointed too. It's not nearly as good.
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Post by Xeogred on Feb 16, 2018 18:10:37 GMT -5
The Last Remnant might be the most interesting of this set. Mainly 'cause it's a secret SaGa game. The combat system is fascinating stuff; the story, not so much. Still, that was one epic final battle when I finally finished it, and that soundtrack... awesome stuff! It's better played on PC than 360; better performance over the practically-broken 360 version. (Seriously, the game is nearly unplayable if you don't install to the hard drive.) The 360 version is the one I beat, though. There are some differences in balancing between the PC/360 versions, mainly with how many hero characters you can throw into a Union (in the PC, you can use as many as you want). That also means the difficulty has been boosted to compensate. I'm not alone after all! Yeah I dabbled into the PC version a few years ago. Being able to freely customize heroes and parties more was interesting. It was also dual audio which is always a plus, though I think the dub was solid. Natively supports the 360 gamepad. Seemed like the definitive version. But yeah I too beat the 360 version, it's maybe not too terrible in retrospect if you can adapt to it haha. Who knows.
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