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Post by Sarge on Nov 5, 2021 16:16:31 GMT -5
Gotcha. Will stick to that, then.
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Post by Xeogred on Nov 5, 2021 16:24:00 GMT -5
I owned this one as a kid. Did any of you play it? I actually finally played some again last year. Maybe I'll try another full run of it this month, which doesn't take long at all if you get the loop down.
Kung-Fu 2 sure looks different.
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Post by Sarge on Nov 5, 2021 16:28:05 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd put either of those into the "combat sports" category as toei mentioned. But I've played through both. Kung Fu is pretty simple, but also solid considering its vintage. I don't even remember what I rated Spartan X 2, but I don't remember it making a tremendous impression on me, although it looks nice.
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Post by toei on Nov 5, 2021 17:56:26 GMT -5
True, Kung-Fu is just a random name that was slapped on to the American version. It's not about kung-fu. I think I played through the Game Boy Spartan X game for Irem month last year? It kinda sucked, in the end.
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Post by Ex on Nov 5, 2021 20:18:31 GMT -5
Xeogred Looking forward to you taking down Iron Mike. It's a rite of passage for sure. - I spent some time with this one recently: Best of the Best: Championship Karate, developed by Loriciels, published by Electro Brain in 1992. This is a fairly realistic fighting sport sim. Despite the name though, this is a kick boxing game that features martial arts moves outside karate. Supposedly there are 55 different moves to utilize, and I believe it. The object is to win the kick boxing championship by defeating an array of kick boxing masters in a series of fighting matches.You can train your fighter at a gym before the fights to raise parameters like stamina, strength, and resistance. Unfortunately, losing a fight reduces those parameters, so you are incentivized to definitely not lose. There's also the ability to fight another human player in a versus mode. This game also released on SEGA Genesis, SNES, Amiga, Amstrad CPC, DOS and Game Boy. The Genesis version is one of the few games to officially support the SEGA Activator motion controller. Concerning the SNES version, martial artist Ron Yuan stated in a 1994 interview, "I know a lot of pure gamers will disagree, but the best SNES fighting game from a purely technical martial arts point of view is Best of the Best [Championship Karate]. It didn't get much notoriety, but my friends and I know martial arts, and they go nuts whenever we play." Also, Best of the Best: Championship Karate was originally released in 1990 in Europe as André Panza Kick Boxing for various computers, as well as the TurboGrafx-16.
I found the NES version to be technically impressive from an animation perspective. The animation seems to be rotoscoped. Also the hit box setup for the sprites is fairly complex with nice edge detection. However, the training aspect is a bit grindy, and beating your opponents down can take quite a while. Failing a match hurts due to losing stats, and the controls are fairly complex making reading the manual highly recommended. Best of the Best: Championship Karate is in no way a typical fighting game, this is a simulation, and considerably hardcore given its platform. Interested readers may wish to check this game out on SNES, Genesis, or TG16 though, as the NES version is paltry in comparison. I'm not going to "beat" this game, but from what I played, I'd give the NES version a 6.5/10.
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Post by Sarge on Nov 5, 2021 23:33:08 GMT -5
Decided to see just how far I could go in Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!. Turns out it's Super Macho Man. And I almost had him, but blew it. Ah well, I was going to stop at Tyson, regardless - I really, really don't want to work myself up that much tonight. Still a fantastic game.
I can tell I've only been doing Tyson runs, though - there were some guys that I forgot some of their tricks and tells and took some hits I wouldn't if I were in better practice. And I'm always surprised when folks say Soda Popinski is tough, because he's cake compared to the Piston Honda rematch. (Gotta learn to use that block there!)
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Post by toei on Nov 6, 2021 4:30:45 GMT -5
Ex I've tried Best of the Best before. As you mentioned, that game had an insane number of ports, but all those I tried suffer from being somewhat unresponsive. It just doesn't feel "snappy". I find that's often a problem with fighting sims compared to fighting games, but it might just be more realistic, in the end. It's also a problem with old European-made games like that one, in general, especially if they originated on computers. As for me, there's a few games I want to check out like I alluded to before, but I'm just waiting to get my 3.5mm to USB converter so I can play with sound. It's supposed to get here by tonight. I'd like to find one that feels decent and actually learn how to play it half decently, instead of just getting first impressions, because that's something I've never done with a real fight sim.
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Post by Xeogred on Nov 6, 2021 11:49:01 GMT -5
I'm up to Bald Bull in Punch-Out now.
Is there a trick to getting back up or do you just mash like crazy?
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Post by Sarge on Nov 6, 2021 14:40:17 GMT -5
So, the deal is that you really only get three shots at getting up after a knockdown. You can fight as hard as you like, but the last time you go down, you're not getting back up, no matter how fast you mash.
There is a trick, though - if you wait longer in the count, you'll get more of your health back. There's also a trick that once per match, you can hit "select" during the intermission and recover some health. I haven't figured out quite what governs how much you get back, but it can definitely help turn the tide back in your favor.
Is this Bald Bull on the first run, or the rematch? I hate the rematch because you can't knock him down normally - you have to smack him on the bull rush or hit him with a star punch.
EDIT: Okay, there it is. Took me around 10 shots at Tyson before getting it, but I got close several times and blew it. Even using MiSTer on the CRT, I felt like I was occasionally missing inputs, which might be my controller. Might be worth looking into a SNAC adapter for NES stuff... but it's clearly close enough that I can still beat it as long as I have it on said CRT.
Oh, and Super Macho Man went down like a chump. First try on resume, and I even TKO'd him in the first round, something I don't know that I've ever done. That's what you get for missing your spin punches, dude!
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Post by Xeogred on Nov 6, 2021 20:33:47 GMT -5
First Bald Bull fight for me.
This is definitely THE game where input timing needs to be perfect, haha. I'm assuming there's not much delay in emulation via FCEUX...
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