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Post by Sarge on Jan 22, 2023 23:15:22 GMT -5
I was responding to this statement, primarily: You're absolutely right compared to the PS4, but it isn't true for the PS3.
Here's a better video.
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Post by Ex on Jan 22, 2023 23:22:23 GMT -5
The "concessions" I was referring to is regarding the remastered versions of those PS3 era games. The Switch cannot run the modern remasters the way the PS4 renders and runs them. However, that's not what I typed in that quote, so I get the confusion. That's my fault for not articulating what I meant clearly.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 22, 2023 23:26:00 GMT -5
Yeah, that's definitely the case. The concessions are from PS4, but from PS3/360 it's pretty much better across the board. (Dark Souls does have a few odd quirks compared to the 360 version, though.)
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Post by anayo on Jan 23, 2023 18:04:05 GMT -5
Correct. I was convinced the Switch could outclass a PS3 after seeing Digital Foundry cover the Switch port of Skyrim. But PS4 titles on Switch aren't great. My Doom 2016 play through on Switch did not leave me wanting more. I guess what I meant was that the current Switch is like a PS3, which is adequate for me, so I don't see the point of upgrading that to a portable PS4. There was another recent Digital Foundry video where they talked about how the Switch still does really well with its 1st party titles. For those, the developers build their games from the ground up to look and play great on Switch. But not every developer is willing to do that. Some of them just want their game to run well on Playstation, and then maybe on Switch as an afterthought. It's entirely possible this has more to do with how the Switch is aging in 2023 than the hardware itself. This also makes me wonder if the answer for a next-gen Switch isn't necessarily more raw power. Maybe Nintendo could do something smart to make it less costly for others to make great looking games on Switch. I'm not sure exactly what that would involve, though.
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Post by bonesnapdeez on Jan 23, 2023 19:30:55 GMT -5
I'm very pleased with the Switch and what I want from the "Switch 2" is simply more of what I got from the original: a (relatively) inexpensive piece of hardware that can competently run retro games, indie games, VNs, and first-party Nintendo titles. I don't care if _______ AAA game can't be ported successfully as I don't like those games anyway.
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Post by Xeogred on Jan 23, 2023 19:39:56 GMT -5
I'd like to point out that the 360 came out in 2005 and the PS3 in 2006. The fact that we still have to make technical comparisons to hardware that old is embarrassing. lol And graphics aren't everything. Breath of the Wild, Astral Chain, Xenoblade 2-3, etc are some gorgeous bangers I've played on the Switch. But we're kidding ourselves if there's a "positive" to how weak the hardware is... other than Nintendo cutting corners and making it cheaper I guess. Imagining if those games looked sharper or ran better at PS4 levels would be sublime. The Switch struggles with the new Unreal engines in general. It's a weird case by case situation between it and the last two gens certainly. But again, it's insane this conversation always has to include 18 year old hardware. Think of 1990 gaming vs 2008...
I get that Nintendo hasn't been directly competing with Sony/Xbox forever now, but it's still hilarious... I like the Switch but the corners cut here seem kind of inexcusable to me.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 23, 2023 20:48:49 GMT -5
I mean, I don't know what folks are expecting here. Yes, the hardware is weak at this point (we're six years in), but when it launched it was one of the beefiest handhelds we've seen. Having it hit PS4 levels would have made it significantly more expensive. Handhelds, even hybrid ones like this, aren't meant to go blow-for-blow with full fat home consoles.
(And yes, it's expensive now considering the hardware, but if people are buying it, why should Nintendo change anything? Just leaving money on the table. They should not takes this as a license to get more expensive with the next one, though.)
I fully expect the next Switch will be somewhere around PS4 or PS4 Pro levels. That's probably all we can reasonably expect, the question is just how long they can ride this current hardware and they're forced to finally release a new one. And that in and of itself may help it be more competitive with PS5/XSX hardware, depending on when they finalize the specs.
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Post by Ex on Jan 23, 2023 21:11:48 GMT -5
I agree the Switch 2 will be PS4 level graphics, but once again will be outclassed visually by PS5/XSX stuff. Part of Nintendo's niche is staying one gen behind for graphics, that's more lucrative. I agree made-for-Switch-exclusively-first-party-Nintendo-games look great on the platform. But let's be realistic that's like ~20% of the Switch library at most. The rest is ports of varying fidelity. Sorry if I'm not impressed that a 2D indie platformer looks just as good on Switch as it does on PS4. What compares is high fidelity 3D games and in that realm Switch cannot compete with contemporary consoles. But that's not Nintendo's aim anyway. The fact that Nintendo's hardware is less expensive as a result does matter, I agree. Most Switch players don't care about graphics to begin with.
Personally I'm more interested in a Deck 2 than a Switch 2. I just want a Deck that's passively cooled!
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Post by Xeogred on Jan 23, 2023 23:11:59 GMT -5
I think it's just weird to me because graphical advancements have gotten smaller across the board in ways. And between the GC, Wii, Wii U, and Switch... it's even more minuscule. But I recall the Wii didn't even have HDMI output and was so smudgy. Still, here we are getting Wii remasters that probably push the Switch to the limit. lol
Agreed though, a Switch 2 at PS4 levels would be cool enough to me.
This reminds me, I don't think FromSoftware did much with the Dark Souls Switch port themselves. It was some studio called Virtuos. I guess Dark Souls 2's Scholar edition was never on the PS3/360, even though I think all the DLC dropped on that version separately, but maybe that's why DS2 never got a Switch port. Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 were the PS4 generation exclusive jump, so that'd be too much for the Switch unless they dumped the resolution down a lot. I just find it strange they didn't even attempt to do more and just got Dark Souls 1 on there. It probably printed a lot of money haha.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 24, 2023 0:18:40 GMT -5
I have a feeling Valve won't release a passively-cooled Deck, but someone else might release something in that ballpark power-wise at some point in the future.
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