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Post by Ex on Mar 23, 2018 8:44:36 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd say the SNES is the greatest console ever, because PS1, but I don't know if I can say PS1 either, 'cause PS2. But I'll say those three are my top 3 favorite consoles of all time.
Also in no way was I putting down the Genesis/Megadrive. I had a Genesis two years before I got a SNES, I've got plenty of love for the ol' Genny. But the one place the SNES/SFC beats the Genesis/Megadrive handily is in the realm of JRPGs/SRPGs. Even if only by sheer attrition. There's some good ones on the Gen, yes, but only a handful compared to what's on the SNES/SFC. Considering JRPGs/JSRPGs are ultimately my favorite genres, that gives the SNES/SFC the clear edge.
The PCECD has some great JRPGs too. But so much of its stuff remains in Japanese language only.
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Post by bonesnapdeez on Mar 23, 2018 9:14:10 GMT -5
See, for me, once I hit the 5th gen I feel like several genres totally tank. Platformers are a big one. The 3D platforming scene has always been rather crappy. And those ambitious "action-adventure" games that run slow as shit? Tomb Raider -- ugh, I'd rather just play Pitfall! or Aztec Adventure. No denying the epic JRPG library though.
To jump back a couple of pages, I think you guys are severely underrating the 8-bit JRPG scene. There are some wild hidden gems to be found -- like Chaos World and Dark Lord. Not to mention the quality titles that have no English translations (yet?) -- Ginga no Sannin comes to mind.
I can come up with dozens of NES/Fami/FDS and SMS/MIII RPGs that I'd rank 7/10 or higher.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 23, 2018 10:07:32 GMT -5
Oh, I have no doubt there are some 8-bit JRPGs I've missed that are great. One of these days, I'll dive into a few more.
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Post by toei on Mar 23, 2018 10:48:51 GMT -5
I'd definitely put the Genesis over the TG-CD, with or without the Sega CD. Especially if you can't speak Japanese. Ys 1 & 2 is cool and all, but it's not the best Ys by far, and maybe not even the best version of those games anymore. It's not even near the same realm as Phantasy Star IV. Actually, if we're going to compare action RPGs, I prefer Landstalker, Beyond Oasis, Crusader of Centy and King Colossus to Ys 1 & 2. The TG doesn't have a single exclusive beat-'em-up worth a damn (Riot City is terrible, Ane-San is kusoge material), while the Genesis is a great console for the genre (SoR trilogy, Golden Axe trilogy, Comix Zone...). It has nothing like the Shinobi games, etc. etc.
The Sega CD isn't worthless, though. I loved Shining Force CD, Vay is underrated, and people tend to love Popful Mail, to name a few.
Bone - Dark Lord is pretty good. Dark Law's at least as good, though. Chaos World is like every other high-encounter-rate, no-story, no-characters RPG on the NES.
Ex - SRPGs on the SNES? There's FEDA and some Fire Emblems if you count fan translations, basically nothing if you count official releases... I'd say Shining Force holds it own in that comparison. And there are very few action RPGs. It definitely wins in terms of turn-based RPGs.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 23, 2018 11:36:53 GMT -5
Don't forget Front Mission! Plus, there's Tactics Ogre and Ogre Battle. And you also get some oddball strategy games like Metal Marines.
But yeah, official releases were kinda slight on that front. There were a lot of strategy games, not so much SRPGs. Ogre Battle is actually the only one that comes to mind. The Romance of the Three Kingdoms games are more sim-ish in nature, along with most of Koei's output. SFC had a lot more, though, once you throw in stuff like Bahamut Lagoon, Energy Breaker, Monstania, Super Robot Wars, and so forth.
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Post by toei on Mar 23, 2018 11:56:40 GMT -5
I'd forgotten about these, although I've finished most. Monstania's decent but super short, the Robot Wars games are super mediocre and no one would play them without the licenses (at least that's my impression from trying a bunch), Bahamut Lagoon was mostly good outside of battles, and Ogre Battle is sort of its own thing more than a SRPG to me. There's also a Tenchi Muyou game, as I recall. And Tactics Ogre's legit. Energy Breakers is sort of halfway between traditional and strategy RPG, but it's not very good. I expected a lot more from the people behind Lufia 2, but supposedly it was rushed through development.
If you include foreign-language releases, though, the Genesis has a bunch of Taiwanese SRPGs, some of which are better than many of the games we're discussing here.
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Post by Ex on Mar 23, 2018 13:25:54 GMT -5
Yes, there's a lot of them. Sarge mentioned quite a few already. If you look through GameFAQs listings of SNES/SFC RPGs/Stategy games, you'll find quite a lot nested in there. My personal all time favorite is Front Mission, although I prefer the DS version over the SFC one these days.
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Post by bonesnapdeez on Mar 24, 2018 12:55:39 GMT -5
Yeah there are bunches of strategy games on the Super Famicom, but you really need to check out the import scene to get a taste of all the system has to offer.
Interestingly, there are two completely different versions of Falcom's Lord Monarch on Super Famicom and Mega Drive. Sort of like how the Super Famicom and Sega CD and PC Engine CD all got very different variations of Popful Mail. In the case of Lord Monarch, it's way better on Mega Drive.
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Post by anayo on Mar 27, 2018 9:46:17 GMT -5
I brought this up in a phone convo with Chibby. He asked that I post it here.
This guy's screen name is pannenkoek2012. I guess you could call him a Super Mario 64 hacker. I call him "that guy with a phD in Super Mario 64." He does these play throughs of SM64 that I guess are kinda like speed runs, except instead of playing to go fast, he tries to press "A" as few times as possible. In doing so, he's learned bizarrely specific stuff about the SM64 game engine and how it's tuned. Every time he posts something new I stop what I'm doing and watch it.
He also has another channel called uncommentedpannen full of intriguing finds and details:
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Post by Ex on Mar 27, 2018 10:16:29 GMT -5
I am both impressed at how much detail he goes into about such specific subject matter, and also how much free time he has to do as such.
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