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Post by Sarge on Mar 14, 2019 11:51:29 GMT -5
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Post by Ex on Mar 14, 2019 11:56:08 GMT -5
Sarge Yes, in the days of 8-bit SEGA wisely sought markets that Nintendo didn't invest in as strongly. Nintendo was all about Japan and the USA. So SEGA went after Europe and South America. That's why the Master System has so many more releases in those territories, versus Japan/USA. The Master System's success in those regions was strong enough that it continued to get new games throughout the '90s - but only in said regions. The Master System was practically dead in Japan/USA by the time the Genesis/Mega Drive was taking off. Edit: I was saying all that more for casual observers' sake and less for Sarge 's.
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Post by Ex on Mar 14, 2019 16:00:36 GMT -5
Well so far in Dragon Crystal SMS version, I've made it to floor 23. This game's getting brutal at this point. Main issue are enemies that can permanently lower your attack value, as well as other enemies that can destroy your armor in one hit. Trust me, that shit will make you rage. All pretense of fairness has started to evaporate. Thankfully this game allows continues, as long as you have the in-game currency to pay for it. Unfortunately when you do continue, you just get to keep your currently equipped sword and armor, and that's it. Edit: "Paradin"
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Post by Sarge on Mar 14, 2019 16:40:00 GMT -5
Oh, the infamous L/R Japanese-to-English conundrum!
At least all your blades aren't "brades".
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Post by toei on Mar 14, 2019 17:00:29 GMT -5
I kind of liked Fatal Labyrinth (which is actually this game's prequel, and not the other way around), but Dragon Crystal always seemed harsher, even in the beginning.
Another thing I've read about the Master System's success in Europe is that it owed a lot to the fact that distribution was taken over by Virgin, which was absolutely massive in those countries (we say Europe, but it's mostly France, the UK and Germany), and marketed it much more adeptly than Tonka did in the US. Of course the fact that the NES hadn't caught on helped; the gaming market up to that point, especially in the UK, was all Commodore 64, Spectrum and the arcades, and most of those arcade-to-micro ports were abysmal.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 14, 2019 17:30:07 GMT -5
Yeah, the market just didn't have any real competition for Sega. Nintendo either bungled or didn't care enough to make Europe a priority, and the microcomputer scene, outside of a few nice games, was pretty abysmal. The market was primed for someone to swoop in and dominate, much like Nintendo did with NES in the wake of the US crash.
And boy, yeah, Tonka didn't do very well on the marketing side at all. I still remember as a kid walking into a mall, and they had a big sale on Master System stuff. Unfortunately, Dad wouldn't let us get one. I honestly can't remember if this was before or after we had an NES. We didn't get that until Christmas of '90, so it probably could skew either way. I'm wanting to say before, though.
I did get my Master System eventually, though, in a Salvation Army thrift store for $8. Still has the sticker on it. The only thing it was missing was the correct power supply; it had a Genesis 2 adapter. One game, but a pretty solid one: Shinobi.
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Post by toei on Mar 14, 2019 17:49:53 GMT -5
Yeah, the market just didn't have any real competition for Sega. Nintendo either bungled or didn't care enough to make Europe a priority, and the microcomputer scene, outside of a few nice games, was pretty abysmal. The market was primed for someone to swoop in and dominate, much like Nintendo did with NES in the wake of the US crash. And boy, yeah, Tonka didn't do very well on the marketing side at all. I still remember as a kid walking into a mall, and they had a big sale on Master System stuff. Unfortunately, Dad wouldn't let us get one. I honestly can't remember if this was before or after we had an NES. We didn't get that until Christmas of '90, so it probably could skew either way. I'm wanting to say before, though. I did get my Master System eventually, though, in a Salvation Army thrift store for $8. Still has the sticker on it. The only thing it was missing was the correct power supply; it had a Genesis 2 adapter. One game, but a pretty solid one: Shinobi.Reminds me of how some store sold my mother a Saturn with a copy of Dragon's Lair on Sega CD back in the '90s. The good news is it also had the Christmas '96 trio (Virtua Fighter 2, Virtua Cop, Daytona USA). I literally had no idea the Master System even existed for a few years as a kid. Everyone had a NES, then everyone switched to a Genesis or SNES, and I thought the Genesis was Sega's first system. The first I heard of the Master System was when a friend of mine mentioned that his grandmother had one in her cottage (which had probably belonged to one of her sons or some other relative) at some point, probably around 1994, but it wasn't working. Then my brother went to France on a school trip and came back with game magazines that featured a few reviews for SMS games, confirming it was real. Similarly, I only knew of one kid who owned a Turbografx-16, and I never got to try it. By the time I started reading US game mags, neither system was getting any coverage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 18:18:45 GMT -5
There are several reasons why the Master System was so successful in Brazil. The most obvious is that the NES was officially launched in Brazil no sooner than 1993, which was extremely late, while the Master System was around since 1989. To add insult to injury, not unlike the Dendy Junior in the Soviet Union, two very popular and relatively cheap clones - Dynavision II and Phantom System - started to appear as soon as 1989. Meaning that for years the only competitors to the Master System in Brazil were mere NES clones. Sure, the Master System was significantly more expensive and everything, but it was obviously much higher quality and Sega pulled off a particularly smart deal with a popular national toy retail chain known as Tec Toy, which came up with an excellent advertising campaign for the console and about 40 million units were sold. Eventually, Tec Toy got into game development themselves, as they ported Street Fighter II to the SMS, Duke3D to the MD and even made a Woody Woodpecker video game.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 14, 2019 18:22:08 GMT -5
This will obviously date me, but I knew it existed from the Sears toy catalogs we'd get for Christmas. I even remember there being a listing for Black Tiger for NES in there, but that's one that never materialized. Too bad, too, because I really like the arcade game!
I had a similar experience when I bought my Saturn off of eBay back in the early 2000s. Got the package, and a couple of the games (and controllers) were 3DO games. Furthermore, I noticed that the sellers had found a couple more games and listed them after I won my auction, and they just happened to be Shining the Holy Ark and Legend of Oasis. Yeah, I had them fix it by taking back the wrong games and giving me those instead. It worked out, but I remember wording my email a little more strongly than I normally would have, which kinda makes me feel bad. But the screwup was theirs, not mine! I'm just weird like that.
@tsumuri: Brazil also has ridiculously punitive import taxes. If a system wasn't manufactured there (which is what Sega did with their TecToy agreement), it cost a crapton of money. It still happens to this day, with the PS4 being just shy of $2000 to start. Not sure if they ever set up any manufacturing there for it after launch.
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Post by toei on Mar 14, 2019 18:29:06 GMT -5
This will obviously date me, but I knew it existed from the Sears toy catalogs we'd get for Christmas. I even remember there being a listing for Black Tiger for NES in there, but that's one that never materialized. Too bad, too, because I really like the arcade game! I had a similar experience when I bought my Saturn off of eBay back in the early 2000s. Got the package, and a couple of the games (and controllers) were 3DO games. Furthermore, I noticed that the sellers had found a couple more games and listed them after I won my auction, and they just happened to be Shining the Holy Ark and Legend of Oasis. Yeah, I had them fix it by taking back the wrong games and giving me those instead. It worked out, but I remember wording my email a little more strongly than I normally would have, which kinda makes me feel bad. But the screwup was theirs, not mine! I'm just weird like that. Nice tradeoff, though. Both very solid games.
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