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Post by Xeogred on Oct 22, 2021 9:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by Ex on Oct 22, 2021 11:46:41 GMT -5
I don't know much about Switch Online, but it looks like the Netflix version of Virtual Console. Not for me but if it makes other people happy, hey whatever.
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Post by anayo on Oct 22, 2021 12:35:31 GMT -5
XeogredI saw this, too. It's not for me.
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Post by Xeogred on Oct 22, 2021 12:50:14 GMT -5
I don't know much about Switch Online, but it looks like the Netflix version of Virtual Console. I think you'd have an impossible task on your hands to find someone out there speak positively about it. I have never signed up for Nintendo's online stuff and never will. Sounds like absolute dated trash. Everyone always talks about how bad the servers and lag is for Smash Bros and a few other games. There's still a dreaded Friend Code-like thing I think (It's been so long since I added someone I forget how it is). etc, yeah just imagine it's AOL dial up in 2021. But apparently some N64 and Genesis emulation of the same 10 games they've re-released a billion times over makes it worth an extra $50... Nintendo gonna Nintendo like always, but especially in the case of online... they are still like 15 years behind the curb.
I'll still complain about Xbox and Sony here too though and their paid services. This is yet another reason why I'll be sticking more to PC gaming going forward if any upcoming multiplayer stuff catches my eye. Halo Infinite and Monster Hunter Rise might be tempting, I'm sure I have some friends that'll be into those.
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Post by Sarge on Oct 22, 2021 13:26:24 GMT -5
The irony is that the default service is probably a bit too cheap ($20 for a year? Not bad!), so if they'd started at say $30 for the original service, and the add-on were $20, folks would probably be slightly more amenable. But by leading with the $20, a 150% increase seems really ridiculous for N64/Genesis (the latter of which is available so many places) and some DLC that many people care not one whit about (like me). I could have seen adding this on if it were $10 extra, but there's no way I'm paying $30 extra per year to access games I either already have or a system I'm the least nostalgic for. Xeogred makes a good point, too. While the online isn't great, at $20 you could argue it doesn't have to be. At $50, you're very close to Microsoft's and Sony's price, and they offer far more than Nintendo here, with a better online infrastructure and newer games. This is a huge misstep for Nintendo in my opinion. What would make this more interesting is if they actually gave out more DLC over the year, and it was yours to keep regardless of whether you stay subscribed, but that's not how they're doing this.
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Post by EasyHard on Oct 27, 2021 14:18:48 GMT -5
(I almost posted this thought when Nintendo was releasing the 35th anniversary Super Mario 3D collection.)
Nintendo doesn't want to digitally re-release its old games if at all possible. If you buy a digital copy of a sufficiently old, emulated game, it feels too much like adding a song to your iTunes or adding an eBook to your amazon account. It doesn't feel like buying a digital copy of, say, Mario Odyssey, or Snipperclips. The first one you expect to take with you from system to system, the other you don't. To put it another way, Nintendo is still thinking about the awkward Wii->WiiU virtual console transition which was both unpopular and never originally prepared for on the technical side.
That's why Mario 3D All Stars and the Fire Emblem 30th Anniversary version were time limited. When the generational cliff happens, there won't be a line crossing moment where one day you could buy new copy of these games, and the next day you could buy a new system that can't play them.
That's also why they don't sell their "online" library of classic games, it is only a service. Correct me if I'm wrong, but any old Nintendo rom you can buy right now was published by Hamster for Arcade Archives.
Metriod Prime Trilogy and other in demand classics like Paper Mario The Thousand Year Door might be subscription service games. MP:Trilogy might be a time limited product, with the time window disguised by being themed around an anniversary or themed around a physical collector edition.
Within the past year or two, you could argue this problem has started growing beyond old emulated games. People are now inconvenienced when late gen AAA games don't have upgrades and/or free upgrades to play on the next system. Remedy/505 games were criticized for how they next gen upgrade of "Control". They were basically trying to disguise the fact that it wasn't a free upgrade, and people weren't happy. Publishers can much more easily justify the cost of making a "next gen all-DLC-edition" or "a next gen remaster + new modes" edition, so they try to tie upgrades to those releases or else release the free upgrade at the very same time.
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Post by Sarge on Oct 27, 2021 14:40:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I can see that being the case. They'd rather get recurring service revenue off their old games instead of a one-time purchase that stays with you. The Netflix model for gaming. But I think Nintendo's going to have to majorly up the value proposition here - improve the N64 emulation and the online backbone, and maybe they can make a case for it. And maybe they're preparing to do that for the Switch successor, but right now I just can't justify the additional cost.
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Post by Xeogred on Oct 27, 2021 16:33:54 GMT -5
People compare Nintendo's moves to the Disney vault too. I guess a lot of the classic animated movies are extremely hard to find nowadays outside of streaming services? It's freaking lame. Yeah I bought the Mario 3D collection and I'd buy a Prime Trilogy collection. Anything that might be a new unique combo of old games or whatever, I might consider. But as for any old single game releases, I'm done being a sucker for Nintendo like I was on the Wii and Wii U, when they did not migrate online libraries. They kept those and even the 3DS online libraries completely separate (and even had obnoxious random exclusivity at times, like you can get X SNES game on the 3DS but not Wii U, WTF?). Then they did it again with the Switch! I am not buying any of those games again and have negative interest in signing up for a service to play a scarce amount of NES or SNES games roms that probably run better on superior emulators.
Still like the Switch a lot and lots of Nintendo stuff, but they can stick it with their stupidity too.
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Post by Sarge on Oct 27, 2021 16:38:52 GMT -5
That being said, don't be surprised if we see a similar sort of service from Sony with some of their classics. While you can still buy PS1 games, you can't use them on PS4, and I'd assume PS5 as well. I actually wish they would make some of that stuff available again. But I think a lot of publishers have figured out for big-name releases, they can either do a service or an individual release like EasyHard says.
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Post by Xeogred on Oct 27, 2021 16:48:44 GMT -5
Ugh yeah, that dream of people hoping the PS5 was going to be backward compatible with the PS1-PS4 at least disc wise... man oh man, too good to be true.
I think that big Sony hack years back is why they decided to start breaking up their networks along the way. I'm glad they back peddled on taking down the PS3 PSN entirely but yeah. There's still going to be a day in the near future where a lot of digital only games, DLC, etc are lost in the ether of digital gaming space with no way to access again via normal methods though.
Since all PS3's can play PSX discs, I own a handful of digital games on it too. I threw in a 1TB HDD awhile back as well so I never have to worry about space.
Kind of like how every media company right now wants their own streaming services and TV/movie viewing is looking like it's morphing back into cable TV programming... this is all the more reason why I consider sticking with PC gaming going forward and I'm glad I decided to only buy indie games on Steam a few years ago. Some people out there who spread themselves too thin might eventually have to keep out a dozen systems to access specific games here and there, lol. The more I can play on a single platform going forward the better.
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