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Post by Xeogred on May 26, 2020 20:16:21 GMT -5
The DLC's actually beefed up the level cap along the way. I think the original cap was 30. He's definitely in the home stretch but the ending can go so many ways, can't wait to see how Ex wraps it up. I'm sad that Dead Money stopped me from playing Lonesome Road, lol. I didn't love Honest Hearts or Old World Blues either, so I kind of just gave up on the DLC and mainlined the rest of the game in my last playthrough. I still wonder if you should tackle something more like Deus Ex first though Sarge. I know Thief didn't rock your world, but Deus Ex being more RPG/character/story focused, I have a hunch you might really dig that one. As long as you can get past the chunky "combat". Nobody should go in wanting to play Deus Ex for that part of it, lol. I tend to just use the Dragon Tooth Sword for 60% of the game when I get it.
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Post by Sarge on May 26, 2020 20:30:11 GMT -5
Very possible. I mean, I still thought Thief was a fine game, and as I commented then, it's remarkable how "modern" it still feels all these years later. I think I gave it a 7.5? Which is "very good" in my parlance. But stealth games tend to stress me out - I tend to not play a ton of those in succession. (Interestingly, though, I've always had a blast with the MGS games, but I also think you have a lot more tools there to survive encounters if you mess up.)
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Post by Xeogred on May 26, 2020 20:41:49 GMT -5
Very possible. I mean, I still thought Thief was a fine game, and as I commented then, it's remarkable how "modern" it still feels all these years later. I think I gave it a 7.5? Which is "very good" in my parlance. But stealth games tend to stress me out - I tend to not play a ton of those in succession. (Interestingly, though, I've always had a blast with the MGS games, but I also think you have a lot more tools there to survive encounters if you mess up.) Yeah I think you could say Deus Ex is pretty comparable to MGS in that regard. I usually opt for stealth first in the immersive FPS sims, but if you get caught and mess up, you still have many other options. I'm always into hacking/lockpicking in these to access alternative routes and secrets, etc. You get body augmentations along the way in Deus Ex too, one in particular giving you super human running/jumping so that's fun to platform around or run away from things haha.
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Post by Ex on May 26, 2020 21:34:36 GMT -5
Hmm, wonder how much you've got left to do? The fact that you've hit the level cap... I hit that level cap about 12 hours ago. The base game only lets you go up to level 30. Every successive DLC raised the cap by 5 levels. So with all four DLCs, the max level is 50. Part of the reason I hit the level cap already, is because I have been so diligent about exploring every optional location in the game. There are a LOT of totally optional locations in the main game and DLCs. Many of which afford extra ways of gaining experience. There are many ways of gaining experience besides just killing things (though I've done plenty of that too). As to how close I am to beating New Vegas, I could probably wrap it up in a few hours now, if I just mainlined the primary quest while dogging its waypoints. Or I could put another hundred hours in if I focused on doing every possible sidequest. And another fifty hours on top of that, if I chased every achievement. But no, I'm not doing anything that crazy. There are a few sidequests I want to wrap up, just because I like their plot threads. Once that's done, I'll close in on the finish. I wager I'll put another 10-20 hours in before I'm done. Thanks and yes, New Vegas definitely got its hooks in. Easily the best WRPG I've ever played, and in my top 10 games of all time list. I'm sad that Dead Money stopped me from playing Lonesome Road Yeah that makes me sad too. Lonesome Road is far and away the best DLC. It's night and day compared to Dead Money. Lonesome Road is a linear march through twisted hellish environs, versus extremely difficult enemies, culminating in a badass final boss fight. Hardly any dialogue either compared to the other DLCs.
I enjoyed Honest Hearts because of being able to explore beautiful Zion Canyon, great virtual hiking! Old World Blues was merely "OK" insofar as its environmental exploration goes. But OWB was too comically goofy for my tastes. Dead Money was straight up awful, I hated it. I will say the four DLCs are all very distinct from one another.
I absolutely believe Sarge would super enjoy the original Deus Ex if he gave it a chance. Especially as much as he enjoys stories of espionage. You really don't have to be all that stealthy either. Not once you start leveling up certain traits. If you wanted to play like Rambo, you could evolve and outfit your JC Denton to be Rambo. Just a stone cold classic game. I recommend the GOTY GOG version: www.gog.com/game/deus_ex
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Post by Xeogred on May 26, 2020 21:44:24 GMT -5
JC, which one do you want? 1. Crossbow 2. Sniper Rifle 3. GEP Launcher Something tells me you went with the Robocop GEP gun Ex .
I'm sure I will have to replay NV one of thesedays, so I'll remember to hit up Lonesome Road next time.
By the way, how quick did you take to the terminal hacking in these? I played through all of my first run of NV never understanding it at all, lol. But someways into my Fallout 3 playthrough it finally clicked (I played NV first since I didn't like 3 initially).
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Post by Ex on May 26, 2020 22:15:25 GMT -5
JC, which one do you want? 1. Crossbow 2. Sniper Rifle 3. GEP Launcher On my first playthrough, I chose the Sniper Rifle actually. But nowadays I'd take the GEP Launcher. I abused the hell out of those sticky wall mines for sure. Very quickly actually. You just use a process of elimination, based on how many letters the terminal says you got wrong in guessing the password. I get annoyed though, watching the terminal boot up and login sequence process. I mash the skip button trying to fly through that every time. Well I beat Fallout 3 back in 2008, shortly after it released. I did enjoy Fallout 3 quite a lot. But it did not capture the soul of the first two Fallout games at all. However, New Vegas captures that soul with aplomb. New Vegas is the real Fallout 3.
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Post by Sarge on May 26, 2020 22:53:56 GMT -5
Well, I do have it. I bought Deus Ex some time ago on y'all's recommendations, so I'm sure it will happen eventually.
EDIT: Hmm, might even be next month, given the theme.
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Post by Xeogred on May 27, 2020 20:46:57 GMT -5
I have to admit, I keep stumbling upon someone streaming Fallout 2 here and there lately. It's not very fun to watch, but just glancing at it for a bit makes me want to give that one another chance. I do think I tried playing it after beating the first game right away, so that was an obvious recipe for burnout. I do hear Fallout 2 is more comical though and twice as long, so I'm not sure how I feel about all that.
I've beaten all the other mainline games anyways, so that's probably another hangup I'm having that bugs me about 2 now. Gotta fill that gap!
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Post by Ex on May 28, 2020 9:46:43 GMT -5
EDIT: Hmm, might even be next month, given the theme. I fully endorse that consideration. <-JC Denton smiley. I have to admit, I keep stumbling upon someone streaming Fallout 2 here and there lately. It's not very fun to watch, but just glancing at it for a bit makes me want to give that one another chance. Confession time. I have not beaten Fallout 2 either. I put over twenty hours into it back in 2001, but my save file became corrupted (the original unpatched release was super buggy!). This was before I became a wiser gamer and started keeping multiple saves when playing RPGs. So with the corrupted save file, I lost all my progress, and thus my desire to continue playing the game. I too need to go back and finish F2 as a result. I will say that you are not wrong when it comes to Fallout 2 feeling slightly different. During its development some key folks left, including Tim Cain himself. He left Black Isle and formed Troika Games with other ex-Black Isle personnel. "After completing Fallout, Cain went on to do some pre-production work on Fallout 2, including writing the main story arc as well as helping designing The Den area. In an interview, he criticized the bigger influence from sales/marketing department during Fallout 2's development, saying, "We were losing part of the game to a larger group who had bigger plans for it." ( fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Timothy_Cain ) Per all the Fallout games I've played... God Tier Fallout
Fallout: New Vegas Ultimate Edition Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel
Very Good Tier Fallout 2 Fallout 3
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Post by Xeogred on May 28, 2020 18:10:23 GMT -5
Your rankings is what I was hoping to get out of you and anyone else here that's maybe played them. I've seen a lot of people say Fallout 2 is better than the first, but your list says otherwise. So yeah I'd need to hear more compelling arguments for Fallout 2... but the combat still looks very similar which might be an issue for me. Thus I think Tactics does look a lot more interesting for now, I'll probably go for that one first.
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