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Post by Ex on Jan 10, 2018 22:22:14 GMT -5
I've beaten a lot of Splinter Cell games. The ones I'm allowed to talk about:
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell (2002) Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow (2004) Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (2005) Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent (2006)
I beat the first three on PC, and the last on Xbox. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but I didn't find these games hard at all. At least not on normal difficulty anyway. I bet if you went back and played them today, you could knock 'em out no sweat. If nothing else, Chaos Theory is required gaming IMO. It's just amazing.
And I wasn't trying to insinuate that Metal Gear isn't fantastic. It is! I just like the mechanical gameplay of Splinter Cell more is all. But Metal Gear is no slouch in gameplay, and Splinter Cells' plots have nothing on Kojima's insane mind.
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Post by Xeogred on Jan 10, 2018 22:38:21 GMT -5
Heh, now I'm curious to see what I'd think today. Maybe my stealth chops are vastly better.
Oh yeah, I forget Double Agent exists. I played and beat that one, still got it. I think it says enough that... I recall more of the first two games in comparison.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 11, 2018 9:33:18 GMT -5
I should probably say that when I said " DOOM derivatives", I was more thinking stuff that was inspired by it, like Heretic, Hexen, Strife, that sort of stuff. Can't talk about the newest one here, so... I'll send a message.
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Post by Ex on Jan 11, 2018 10:51:46 GMT -5
I should probably say that when I said " DOOM derivatives", I was more thinking stuff that was inspired by it, like Heretic, Hexen, Strife, that sort of stuff. I can't really fault you there, around DOOM's time, there really weren't any other FPS that were quite as fun, despite aping its design (I don't even think DOOM II was as good). With the exception of Star Wars: Dark Forces. Dark Forces is excellent, LucasArts knew what they were doing. They did a good job with 1997's Outlaws too.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 11, 2018 11:12:50 GMT -5
Oh, yeah, Dark Forces is great. I replayed that not long ago, it still holds up well.
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Post by Xeogred on Jan 11, 2018 18:31:15 GMT -5
I should probably say that when I said " DOOM derivatives", I was more thinking stuff that was inspired by it, like Heretic, Hexen, Strife, that sort of stuff. Can't talk about the newest one here, so... I'll send a message. Ohhhhhhhh, on that note... yep. I can't get into any of those at all. Especially Heretic. Like jeeze, this is literally a lazy reskin of Doom... um I'll just play Doom! Doom spoiled a lot. But I was able to go back and play Ultima Underworld and System Shock 1 in the last couple of years. Strife looks like this sort of blending of genres too, so maybe that one will click with me. Think I got the new edition on Steam.
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Post by dunpeal2064 on Jan 15, 2018 4:36:49 GMT -5
To touch on some of Ex's games: DKC2 - I grew up with DKC, and only last year played through the sequel. I found it to be a vast improvement over the original, which I had also replayed recently. Vastly superior bosses (the first game's bosses kinda suck!), and ideas that were pushed much further (Likely resulting in the difficulty, but I am the sort of dude that loved SMB2 for pushing that formula to the extreme). Also really enjoyed the Diddie/Dixie duo, as Dixie is just a ton of fun, and Diddie gets used to a much fuller extent (You could finish DKC and not know about rolling off ledges and jumping, but not in DKC2!). Well worth playing through imo. PSO - Honestly, this game will very likely disappoint, and I say this with easily over 500 hours in the Gamecube release of the game. If you have someone else to play with, its fun, but its all about replaying the same stuff for rare drops. Beyond that, there isn't much substance here. FFVIII - Similarly, while I enjoyed this game well enough, I wouldn't expect it to impress much. For its time (at least for me), the depth of its systems was a new thing, and it was cool to see the absolute tons of builds, side quests, mini games, etc. Feels like an early "modern jrpg" in that sense. It does have good moments, but don't set your expectations too high. Earthbound - Heh, the second game on your list that would have been on mine last year (I've been trying to hit the big games recently myself). I always looked at Earthbound similarly, and wasn't sure why it was so lauded. I guess I get it now, I did have a nice, fun time with Earthbound. Its not a top 5 snes rpg for me, and it requires a certain mood, but whats there is nice, and it is certainly quite different. I'd not be surprised to see you either love or hate this one. I'll post some of mine as well, hopefully this post isn't too huge... Half Life games - Aside playing some PC stuff as a kid (Doom, Wolfenstein, Lemings, etc), I have almost no experience with PC gaming. There are a good number of games I've missed due to this, but the Half Life games are probably the most stand out. I've tried to get into the first game a few times via console ports (DC, PS2), but it never really grabbed ahold of me. I liked that it had platforming, and it felt like the story could go somewhere, but several hours in it felt like I was just running through a series of corridors with the occassional shooting and platforming. Not sure if I just missed the boat on this one, if it gets really good later on, or if its just not for me. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - I stopped gaming right around when this came out. I loved the first two games, and have only heard great things of this one, so I plan to get back to this soon. Resident Evil 4 - You could put the entire series here, because I've actually never finished a Resident Evil game . I borrowed and played bits of RE2 on the ps1, but was too far gone in the sea of rpgs. Other than that, and one random attempt to get into RE4 on the GC at some point, I have actually not even played RE at all. Of the classic ones, RE4 seems to get the most love, and thus is the most appealing to me (Along with REmake and RE7, at least one of which doesn't really qualify for discussion here). I've had the horror game itch though, so hopefully I can get in on the RE love soon. RPGs - A genre I went from playing exclusively, to almost completely ignoring in lieu of more short, arcade-y games. While I've played a lot of good ones, there are a ton I've completely missed. I've never beaten a single game in the Dragon Quest series. The same goes for Breath of Fire, Phantasy Star (Non online), Suikoden, Xenogears/Saga, etc. My spark for RPGs has been rekindled lately, especially for the 4th and 5th gen games, as they tend to hover around more palatable lengths than the newer stuff, so I plan on at least correcting some of this soon. There are a ton more (Its gross that the first Uncharted turns 10 this year), but that should be enough fuel for everyone to revoke my gamer card for now!
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Post by Ex on Jan 15, 2018 11:13:34 GMT -5
I want to first say that I would never recommend playing a Half-Life game on anything that's not a PC. These are PC games, meant to be played with mouse and keyboard, and having the oomph of PC hardware to power their graphics and framerates. That said, the Half-Life games may not have aged that great, but in a weird way. SOOOO many FPS adventure games aped Half-Life 1 & 2's ideas, that going back to play Half-Life 1 or 2 seems mundane now. But the truth is all those cliches you think you're seeing in Half-Life 1 & 2 were original ideas when Half-Life 1 & 2 did them. I still love Half-Life 1, it was an astounding experience when I played it (which was around its original release window). I've always though Half-Life 2 was overrated though. HL2 has its moments, but it's just not on the same level as HL1 was. I digress a bit, but if there's one classic PC FPS I think everyone should play, it's: AND I MEAN THE PC VERSION NOT THE DREAMCAST VERSION Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater I'll say this much, I enjoyed MGS1, I didn't really like MGS2, but I absolutely LOVED MGS3. It's my all time favorite MGS which I've personally beaten. (I still haven't beaten MGS4 - which is now 10 years old btw!) I wholeheartedly recommend MGS3, but only the Subsistence version. That behind the shoulder camera makes all the difference in the world. Resident Evil 4 - You could put the entire series here, because I've actually never finished a Resident Evil game Hmmm. Well, I've beaten a quite a few RE games. I would easily put RE4 at the top though. You could play through RE4 without having beaten RE1-3, and still understand what's going on. Ignoring the plot, RE4's game design is still aces though. If RE4 has any fault, it's perhaps a tad long, but that's only compared to previous REs before it. I honestly can't see anyone not having fun with RE4, at least the first time through it. Try it! I've never beaten a single game in the Dragon Quest series. The same goes for Breath of Fire, Phantasy Star (Non online), Suikoden, Xenogears/Saga, etc. I ignored Dragon's Quest for years and years myself. Only getting into the series when the DS remakes started coming out. The first DQ I beat was the DS version of DQ4 actually, which I loved. I would recommend any Dragon Quest curious player to start with Dragon Quest VIII though. (THE PS2 VERSION ONLY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.) If you enjoy DQVIII, and finish it, said DQ may light the spark that flames high enough to burn through other entries. As for Phantasy Star. I am horribly biased as those are my favorite classic JRPGs. However, I would really only recommend a newcomer play through Phantasy Star IV. Phantasy Star 1 & 2 are awesome, but are very grindy honestly, especially PS2. PS3 is weird, it's good, but it's just not in the same league as PS1/2/4. However, PS4 is simply amazing. I think I know you well enough to say you'd love it man. It's well balanced, brilliantly made, and its plot is self-contained enough that a newcomer will still understand what's going on. Also it's SCI-FI done right.
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Post by Xeogred on Jan 15, 2018 13:54:48 GMT -5
Half Life games - Aside playing some PC stuff as a kid (Doom, Wolfenstein, Lemings, etc), I have almost no experience with PC gaming. There are a good number of games I've missed due to this, but the Half Life games are probably the most stand out. I've tried to get into the first game a few times via console ports (DC, PS2), but it never really grabbed ahold of me. I liked that it had platforming, and it felt like the story could go somewhere, but several hours in it felt like I was just running through a series of corridors with the occassional shooting and platforming. Not sure if I just missed the boat on this one, if it gets really good later on, or if its just not for me. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - I stopped gaming right around when this came out. I loved the first two games, and have only heard great things of this one, so I plan to get back to this soon. Resident Evil 4 - You could put the entire series here, because I've actually never finished a Resident Evil game . I borrowed and played bits of RE2 on the ps1, but was too far gone in the sea of rpgs. Other than that, and one random attempt to get into RE4 on the GC at some point, I have actually not even played RE at all. Of the classic ones, RE4 seems to get the most love, and thus is the most appealing to me (Along with REmake and RE7, at least one of which doesn't really qualify for discussion here). I've had the horror game itch though, so hopefully I can get in on the RE love soon. RPGs - A genre I went from playing exclusively, to almost completely ignoring in lieu of more short, arcade-y games. While I've played a lot of good ones, there are a ton I've completely missed. I've never beaten a single game in the Dragon Quest series. The same goes for Breath of Fire, Phantasy Star (Non online), Suikoden, Xenogears/Saga, etc. My spark for RPGs has been rekindled lately, especially for the 4th and 5th gen games, as they tend to hover around more palatable lengths than the newer stuff, so I plan on at least correcting some of this soon. There are a ton more (Its gross that the first Uncharted turns 10 this year), but that should be enough fuel for everyone to revoke my gamer card for now! I have a weird love/hate relationship with Half-Life 1. I think I've overplayed it over the years (despite only officially beating it all once, I never want to do Xen again) and have hit a total burnout on it. I can't think of many other titles that have done that to me. I like to replay games a lot, but I always crash hard upon revisiting Half-Life 1. Especially during the endless tram tunnel level which feels like it goes on for hours. I appreciate what Half-Life 1 did for FPS storytelling and its influence, but I think HL2 blows it out of the water in every single area and is something that still surprises me the countless times I revisit it. In comparison to HL1, I've always liked Jedi Knight more and I think Quake 2 or Unreal, etc, have held up better in ways or are just simply more fun to me. Back in the day I liked how HL1 has kind of this Metroid-esque atmosphere to it being in a huge underground facility for the entire game, but nowadays it just seems really drab to me. I don't have this issue with Thief, System Shock 2, Deus Ex, and those other games I mentioned, all came out around the same time. So I'm not sure what to say. MGS3, my mom let me stay home sick in high school or whenever it was out and I beat it all in a day then, haha. I'll never forget that. I like it a lot but I personally like MGS1-MGS2 a lot more. RE4, what to say. One of my favorite games of all time, S+ Capcom, and I own like 4 versions of it and plan to get more like the Wii one someday. Timeless masterpiece. I'm a huge RE fan in general and still love the classic games as well, but the changes with RE4 are completely cool to me. The gameplay is so damn fun.
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Post by chibby on Jan 16, 2018 18:34:29 GMT -5
Despite my love for retro games, there is nonetheless an insanely long list of renowned classics that I've managed to miss for one reason or another. Most often, it's because most of the games I purchase I only purchase if I can get an exceptional bargain and they're getting a harder and harder to find.
So, here's two that I own, that I've started, that I have no excuse not to finish, I just haven't yet
Majora's Mask: Before you yell at me, I know, I KNOW! The trouble is, I didn't get an N64 until way late in the game (Gamecubes were already out, and had been for a couple of years). Anayo loaned me the N64 technically (But it's been over a decade so I'm calling it mine), and along with it he gifted/loaned me a copy of Ocarina of Time. I played the hell out of it. In the days leading up to the next Christmas, I even went back and got myself Biggoron's Sword. That Christmas, my little brother gave me Majora's Mask. I also, received a Sega Genesis with a small collection of games (once again courtesy of Anayo, that fellow has a long track record of hooking me up) and an Original Xbox with a few games. So, I sat down with LOZ:MM immediately but by the time I got to the water temple I got wicked frustrated and also kind of fatigued of Link in general having just finished OoT. Also, I found the time cycle to cause more irritation than intrigue, but I feel like I'm in the minority on that. Fast forward a few months and my bro guilts me into giving it another shot, only I can't really seem to orient myself in the game again.
I'm posting this because I think I've given it enough time that I won't hate myself from starting over from the very beginning. In fact, part of me (the part of me that clearly doesn't learn from mistakes given that I'm about to recreate my initial problem) wants to make 2018 the year of Zelda and try to play through as many of the main console ones I've missed (which includes Wind Waker and some that I don't think I can talk about).
FFVII:
Relatively early in the game, some punk stole a unique item. I reloaded my game and realized I'd lost about an hour and a half of play. Also I missed Yuffie in the beginning. Also I was in Grad School. Maybe I'll get back to it one day.
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