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Post by toei on Oct 7, 2022 19:18:06 GMT -5
Ex You mean "the US", not "the West". DBZ started airing in 1988 in France, and immediately became huge. it was big in a number of European countries from what I heard. It was huge for us in the '90s. You may or may not have been too old by then, I don't know. Pre-Z Dragon Ball holds up excellently, even as an adult, and I don't like shonen, which some exceptions (the martial arts manga Kenji is great, for example). I like seinen. I could never get into FFT either, but I wouldn't call it bad or anything. I just didn't seem to get the class system and how the game maybe wanted us to keep switching classes all the time. I've never played FFXII. I loved Vagrant Story, though. One of the best PSX games. I've also never played Crash Bandicoot, as far as I can remember. I was loyal to Sega then and saw Sony as some lame upstart, and by the time I got over that mentality I just had no interest in platformers. Xeogred Oh yeah, that weird gimmick is the reason why I never played Legend of Mana. I meant to, a few times, but that whole concept just repels me for some reason.
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Post by Ex on Oct 7, 2022 20:51:24 GMT -5
You mean "the US", not "the West". DBZ started airing in 1988 in France I didn't know that, 'cause I don't care about DBZ as it's a lame, repetitive, boring series. DBZ is about as interesting as Naruto or One Piece or Bleach, in other words not interesting at all. Well I do know occasionally there are anime that come to Europe and not the USA, or only become popular in Europe and not the USA, even if introduced both places. Saint Seiya comes to mind. >I like seinen As do I, as do I. >FFT \the class system A lot of people get hung up on the class system and get burned out grinding classes. None of that is necessary. I beat FFT with no walkthrough or strategy guide, using the most basic classes you start out with. I never created any exotic classed characters like a Calculator or whatever. That stuff is there for crazy people to dive deep in, but completely unnecessary. - I have beaten Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross. I would give them both an 8/10, they are equal in my book. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. I think must people's hang up with Cross is that it's not just a retread of Trigger with nicer graphics. Rather Cross really is its own thing. I can't blame people for wanting a more similar sequel, but I also appreciate when sequels are daring and achieve some innovation. I went into Legend of Mana thinking I wouldn't like it. I ended up really enjoying that game and beat it. Again, most people don't like LoM because it is so different than SoM1-3. But if you play it with an open mind on its own merits, you may find it's quite enjoyable after all. That takes more than 30 minutes of just messing around though. And before I'm accused of being an apologist who simply favors changes in sequels, allow me to say that Dawn of Mana sucks.
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Post by Sarge on Oct 7, 2022 22:31:46 GMT -5
Oh, I still very much stan for Chrono Cross - it's a very good game that I greatly enjoyed, plot points that crap all over Chrono Trigger aside. It's mostly that the remaster feels very low-effort from what I've seen - lots of AI-upscaled art that looks bad in places.
Legend of Mana was super cool. Transplanting it into the form it effectively was trying to be, a belt-scrolling brawler, worked really well. It's also a really unique game stylistically, and that music is tremendous.
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Post by toei on Oct 8, 2022 9:10:23 GMT -5
Ex Like I said, pre-Z holds up very well and isn't repetitive. It's not as well known in the US because I think they started with Z, which is very different. But Z also has nice parts, which is usually when they're not fighting. Cross is not 1/10th the RPG Trigger is, and it's not because it's different, it's because it's just another RPG while Trigger is the best SNES RPG.
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Post by Xeogred on Oct 8, 2022 9:18:20 GMT -5
Once I watched all of DB and Z in Japanese it became my favorite anime pretty much. I've seen Z in Japanese twice now and own a complete set of the Dragon Boxes, worth like 1k now. But yeah, not going to bother to explain why or convince anyone here to watch 400 some episodes (but also on that note I can't take modern anime viewers seriously who complain about Z having pacing issues, when One Piece is now over 1,000 episodes and is the definition of pacing issues. An entire episode may not even be a full single chapter worth. Toei seems to refuse to stop airing the show as the anime has been caught up with the manga for years now and that's a huge issue). Top shounens for me: DB/Z, Hunter x Hunter, and One Piece ... EDIT: And JoJo if it counts Good 80's vibes: Saint Seiya, Hokuto no Ken
A decade ago I loved this genre more than I do now. It's a nice adventurous format, but there really are only a few elites.
The Dragon Quest Dai remake is about finished though and it's been pretty solid.
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Post by Ex on Oct 8, 2022 9:25:40 GMT -5
Legend of Mana was super cool. I also enjoyed the world building aspects, where depending on how you placed different areas (levels) together, that would have various effects. A novel approach I'm not sure I've seen in any other game. Trigger is the best SNES RPG Trigger is very good, but Final Fantasy VI is THE best SNES JRPG. I am interested in watching Fist of the North Star eventually. I do own some games from that franchise as well, but they are all modern stuff that don't fit this side of the board.
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Post by Xeogred on Oct 8, 2022 9:35:01 GMT -5
I am interested in watching Fist of the North Star eventually. I do own some games from that franchise as well, but they are all modern stuff that don't fit this side of the board. If you think shounens are repetitive, get ready for 50+ episodes of Kenshiro vs Thug(s)[#X]. I wonder how condensed the manga is in comparison.
It's always great when the main villains are around though.
And Rei.
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Post by toei on Oct 8, 2022 10:13:48 GMT -5
The Hokuto anime has absurd amounts of filler. The whole Shin saga is like... 2-3 volumes in the manga. The whole series is just 27 volumes, and that includes what became the Hokuto no Ken 2 anime, which is all pretty unnecessary. The core saga - the brothers of Hokuto, basically - is 16 or 17 volumes, I think. I really recommend the manga over the anime.
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Post by Xeogred on Oct 8, 2022 10:38:00 GMT -5
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Post by toei on Oct 8, 2022 10:51:24 GMT -5
Fun fact: part 2 only exists because Buronson and Tetsuo Hara signed a two-year contract extension. The first part, with Shin, was a short, straightforward story in case the manga didn't catch on; then the whole saga with Raoh and Toki and Jagi came about when it did. In the manga I don't think you see or hear about any of them until after Shin dies - the anime rearranged the order of a bunch of events. Initially it's just Mad Max Bruce Lee going after his rival in a post-apocalyptic world. But yeah, part 2 is just not very good because the story was already complete. It was a completely unneeded sequel and everything it added to the lore didn't work very well.
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