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Post by Kazin on Oct 24, 2022 20:19:47 GMT -5
I'd think the SCART to convertor image would look better than s-video though, wouldn't it? And yeah, Genesis composite out is *awful* - far worse than my NES and Twin Famicom, which is ridiculous imo. Oh well, not an issue for me any longer!
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Post by Sarge on Oct 25, 2022 12:18:27 GMT -5
I find the difference between S-Video and component pretty minimal, honestly. It's definitely not the jump you get from component to S-Video. And yeah, the encoder chip they use for composite on the Genesis is terrible (although I think there are a few models that are a bit better than the usual), and Nintendo has always used a chip that looks pretty solid - NES and SNES look quite good in comparison.
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Post by Kazin on Oct 25, 2022 12:44:35 GMT -5
I do remember upgrading from RF to composite with my childhood Genesis, when we got a TV that had those inputs downstairs, and it was quite a bit better, but yeah, 30 years later, it's definitely terrible. So glad I got this CRT with an s-video port!
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Post by Sarge on Oct 25, 2022 13:20:04 GMT -5
Absolutely! I only have one CRT that has S-Video right now - the other two are component/composite, which is super annoying!
Speaking to video quality, though, I'm very much becoming convinced that ultra-clear visuals aren't the way to go when it comes to the PSX. At least in places where you can't disable dithering. S-Video and component are too clear and you can see all of it quite clearly, even in contexts where you really don't want to.
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Post by Kazin on Oct 25, 2022 13:27:36 GMT -5
Which contexts don't you want to? I've been pretty happy with my PSX s-video/Steam Deck PSX visuals, though I have limited experience with huge swathes of that library.
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Post by Sarge on Oct 25, 2022 13:59:23 GMT -5
I think it's mostly stuff like Metal Gear Solid, where you have heavy full-screen dithering. It looks super grainy and honestly not the best. The new MiSTer core gives the option to disable dithering, as well as 24-bit color output via HDMI (or Direct Video), which removes the color banding issue when dithering is disabled. That's probably the ideal way to play. That doesn't get rid of places where it's pre-baked into the textures, but those aren't the ones that bother me, haha. EDIT: Honestly, I don't know if there's truly a "best" option - composite is still pretty blurry regardless, so you're sacrificing clarity to mask the dithering. But I have fond memories of playing PSX on a 13" Magnavox CRT via composite, which at the time was a massive upgrade for me!
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Post by bosh on Oct 26, 2022 14:33:59 GMT -5
Bit in between these days on needing to play games on the original device. I do have a second console for all my favorite ones just so I will have one working and then when one breaks I can use it for parts in the other. Had to replace more controller parts than console parts to be fair.
The amount of wires needed gets to a point of ridiculousness for original hardware. I have an old CD shelf cube shelf that is literally just wires and controllers for each legacy console sorted out in each cube. To have multiple hooked up at a time also leads to a messy office or living room. I still enjoy it for some games, but for the most part I would much rather buy a retro game now and most likely rip it and emulate it and leave only playing my favorites on original hardware.
Its closer to emulation route, but I have actually enjoyed these "Mini" consoles as of late as they all work off USB for power and HDMI for output, small, and for the most part capture the magic of playing on actual hardware.
I don't have any working CRT's at the moment (Typically grab one or two at garage sale every few years) but those also can be space hogs.
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Post by Sarge on Oct 26, 2022 14:41:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I've got three right now and I'm still struggling to figure out where to put this last 20" one. Maybe when the game room is organized, I'll figure it out.
And yes, the cabling is a gigantic pain in the rear if you want them all hooked up at once. It's almost cleaner to have them hooked up to multiple TVs, but I'm jealous of the super-clean setups I see occasionally in Twitter posts with everything ready to rock.
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Post by Kazin on Oct 26, 2022 14:58:27 GMT -5
I've got an s-video switcher because my CRT only has one s-video input, and I'm going to hang on to that thing for dear life. I wish it could accept more than four s-video inputs, though - I currently have freaking five lol (SNES, Genesis, PSX, Saturn, and N64). Cabling is a mess, though my wife and I agreed before looking for a house that I got A Room For All My Nerd Shit, so she doesn't care that it's a bit unwieldy.
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Post by Sarge on Oct 26, 2022 15:58:54 GMT -5
Ha, yeah, those switchers are very much needed. I've got two from back in the day, one a 3-port, the other a now-sketchy 5-port Pelican one. Like, the connectors are a bit goofy in the mechanical switchers now. I wonder if I couldn't pop it open and fix that, though... but I also barely use anything hooked up to that TV, so probably not a huge deal.
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