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Post by Ex on Feb 27, 2024 17:05:31 GMT -5
Nintendo doesn't have a leg to stand on. Seems like something they're doing to placate shareholders, but I don't see Nintendo winning this one. If they did, it would uproot the whole emulation scene in general in a bad way.
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Post by Xeogred on Feb 27, 2024 20:43:57 GMT -5
Oooof, nuclear burn from MVG:
Seriously, everything on the Virtual Console were just roms that Nintendo happily resold to the masses.
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Post by Ex on Feb 27, 2024 21:13:34 GMT -5
Yeah... but there's a difference when you're the IP holder of the system/games being emulated by you.
Legally as long as an emulator doesn't use any copied proprietary code (like firmware/BIOS) of the device being emulated, it should be OK. But Nintendo's got enough money to pay for the best lawyers out there, who knows what will happen. If Nintendo does get their way, this could be real bad for the emulation scene as a new precedent. So I hope the court says NOPE to Nintendo.
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Post by toei on Feb 28, 2024 0:36:44 GMT -5
Goddamn Nintendo, still going at it after all these years.
EDIT - I will say, though, that this is why you don't do current gen emulation. Of course the companies are going to try and shut you down if you get it to a point where it can replace the real thing. I know Nintendo has sued over classic ROMs before, but that's because they're the worst at nickel-and-diming gamers for their goddamn oldass MarioZeldas... Other companies kind of accept it and move on because it doesn't affect them that substantially. But current gen is going after current business in a substantial way. I would hate if this had negative consequences for retro emulation, since so many of those games can't be played otherwise.
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Post by Ex on Feb 28, 2024 1:56:27 GMT -5
It's not the first time this has happened to Nintendo. IIRC a working GBA emulator dropped before the actual GBA released.
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Post by toei on Feb 28, 2024 3:31:58 GMT -5
It's not the first time this has happened to Nintendo. IIRC a working GBA emulator dropped before the actual GBA released. I did a quick search and that seems to be the case. More than one, even. There was one that played demos 6 months before release and then that played commercial games before or within days of release. Any idea how they pulled that off? Why were those demo roms even leaked that early?
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Post by Ex on Feb 28, 2024 10:00:47 GMT -5
Any idea how they pulled that off? Why were those demo roms even leaked that early? I assume confidential GBA architecture documents were leaked, and probably some reviewer had demo ROMs and aided a pirate group to leak them early. I recall the GBA emulation scene was active day zero. Maybe that took some $ from Nintendo, but the legitimate hardware's key portability aspect wasn't threatened by emulation back then. I'm saying loads of people bought GBA because it was portable, and those same people wouldn't have cared about emulating GBA instead on a stationary desktop, or lugging a laptop around for the purpose.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 4, 2024 12:45:55 GMT -5
Apparently Nintendo and Yuzu settled for $2.4M. Will be interesting to see what the terms of the settlement include.
Of course, Nintendo knew that the authors wouldn't have enough money to fight them in court, where they would lose. I hope they're able to continue work on it, just in a more circumspect way. I do think perhaps it was a bad idea to set up a Patreon for the emulator, which incentivized folks to pay them for quick access to compatibility for new-release games. Still think Nintendo is in the wrong here, but it feels like Yuzu was flying pretty darn close to the sun.
Someone also speculated that Nintendo is worried about Yuzu because the Switch 2 will have a very similar architecture and will likely be able to quickly emulate brand new Switch 2 games as well without a ton of effort.
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Post by Ex on Mar 4, 2024 13:05:07 GMT -5
Apparently Nintendo and Yuzu settled for $2.4M A dark day for the emulation scene. Last thing we need is talented coders afraid of evolving/creating emulators due to fear of lawsuits. Thanks Nintendo. >bad idea to set up a Patreon for the emulator I don't know about that, emulators have been sold for decades now. Nothing wrong with getting paid for your emulator, insofar as it's not using proprietary code stolen from the actual device being emulated. It's not like Yuzu forced anyone to play actual Switch games using the emulator. If that could be proven in court, then yes there's illegality to stand on. Far as I know, that was not the case. >the Switch 2 will have a very similar architecture Yes, I wager Switch 2 will use an evolved version of Switch's Tegra architecture.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 4, 2024 13:36:28 GMT -5
Well crap. Still think perhaps emulation behind a paywall of a current system is a bad idea. And there is certainly precedent for getting paid for emulation work - Bleem comes to mind immediately. I wish they hadn't settled so quickly. Since it is open-source, though, work will likely continue through others.
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